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Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

July 22, 2007 11:19AM
Gavin Hamilton Wrote:
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> This "discussion" betrays a fundamental difference
> in the way such matters are seen between the old
> world and the new. Being in the old world we
> generally work on the basis that, for instance, if
> a locomotive needs a new boiler it will get a new
> boiler, ditto wheels, tanks, etc. The National
> Railway Museum has its own rules which generally
> mean major replacements are a no-no. I understand
> this position which normally applies to anything
> unique.


The "Historic Material" debate makes sense only in one context - that of "Preservation." Coke said it perfectly when mentioning the DC3 - he used the word "Renovation." Anything else is basically gut-level emotional judgement (like sex, politics and abortion) - folks don't even agree on the definitions, so they'll never agree on the conclusion.

With all due respect to Keith's posting, there IS no debate and no need for convoluted justifications - only a misuse / misunderstanding of terms or fetishizing of the word "Preservation." People somehow get the impression that the Secretary's Guidelines for Preservation (see below) apply to projects that aren't "Preservation" - they don't, that's why they're called Guidelines for Preservation - or that "Preservation" is the ideal, exalted state for ALL "artifacts."

Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because John Q. Railfan "loves" a particular steam locomotive or old boxcar, that doesn't make it a "priceless, historic artifact." Operating a steam locomotive is good - and "preserving" other, non-operating locomotives is good, too.

By definition DRHF isn't engaged in "Preservation" - it chose to Renovate 315, and good on 'em. Much good will come of it in the ways JBW and Keith describe. So any discussion of preserving "historic fabric" is a misapplied standard.

On the other hand, CSRM does engage in Preservation and Restoration (as defined by the Secretary of the Interior). And good on 'em - future generations can study the "artifacts" there long after the 480s have new boilers, frame patches, etc. Everyone wins.

In other words, people who worry about consuming "historic fabric" on an operating steam locomotive should either buy the locomotive and park it, or stop worrying about it winking smiley

JAC





The Secretary of the Interior's Guidelines for Preservation:

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1. A property will be used as it was historically, or be given a new use that maximizes the retention of distinctive materials, features, spaces, and spatial relationships. Where a treatment and use have not been identified, a property will be protected and, if necessary, stabilized until additional work may be undertaken.


2. The historic character of a property will be retained and preserved. The replacement of intact or repairable historic materials or alteration of features, spaces, and spatial relationships that characterize a property will be avoided.

3. Each property will be recognized as a physical record of its time, place, and use. Work needed to stabilize, consolidate, and conserve existing historic materials and features will be physically and visually compatible, identifiable upon close inspection, and properly documented for future research.

4. Changes to a property that have acquired historic significance in their own right will be retained and preserved.

5. Distinctive materials, features, finishes, and construction techniques or examples of craftsmanship that characterize a property will be preserved.

6. The existing condition of historic features will be evaluated to determine the appropriate level of intervention needed. Where the severity of deterioration requires repair or limited replacement of a distinctive feature, the new material will match the old in composition, design, color, and texture.

7. Chemical or physical treatments, if appropriate, will be undertaken using the gentlest means possible. Treatments that cause damage to historic materials will not be used.

8. Archeological resources will be protected and preserved in place. If such resources must be disturbed, mitigation measures will be undertaken.
Subject Author Posted

D&RGW 315 update

El Coke July 11, 2007 06:46PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update

Fred T July 11, 2007 09:35PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update

superfleet July 12, 2007 09:10AM

A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

El Coke July 12, 2007 01:15PM

Re: A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

Linn W. Moedinger July 12, 2007 01:43PM

Re: A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

Eldon Elmore July 12, 2007 02:41PM

Re: A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

Herb Kelsey July 12, 2007 05:19PM

Re: A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

Fred Folk July 12, 2007 06:22PM

Re: A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

Linn W. Moedinger July 13, 2007 01:46PM

Re: A GREAT partnership with the CRRM

Herb Kelsey July 18, 2007 04:57PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update-it's getting closer.

El Coke July 18, 2007 09:38PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update-the old axe question

Kevin S. July 18, 2007 10:30PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update-compared to the 42

Kevin S. July 18, 2007 10:34PM

The DC-3 analogy.

El Coke July 19, 2007 07:26AM

Re: 315 vs 318

superfleet July 19, 2007 07:43AM

Re: 315 vs 318

El Coke July 19, 2007 02:58PM

Re: The DC-3 analogy.

Jim July 19, 2007 08:41AM

Re: The DC-3 analogy.

El Skonk July 19, 2007 04:57PM

The original "Elkton" (or what's left of it)

El Coke July 19, 2007 05:25PM

Re: The DC-3 analogy.

Chile John July 20, 2007 06:52AM

3ooo series box cars

El Coke July 20, 2007 08:20AM

Re: 3ooo series box cars

Chile John July 20, 2007 11:14AM

Re: 3ooo series box cars

Jason Midyette July 23, 2007 04:56PM

An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Keith July 21, 2007 09:22AM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

mesaman3000 July 21, 2007 10:02AM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Bill Dennehy July 23, 2007 09:30AM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Keith July 23, 2007 05:02PM

The courthouse in Waxahatchie

El Coke July 21, 2007 12:14PM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

John West July 21, 2007 05:35PM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Rick Steele July 22, 2007 08:37AM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Gavin Hamilton July 22, 2007 09:29AM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

John Craft July 22, 2007 11:19AM

The ultimate philosophy....back to nature

John West July 22, 2007 12:22PM

Re: The ultimate philosophy....back to nature

hank July 22, 2007 05:07PM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Chile John July 22, 2007 12:40PM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Keith July 22, 2007 08:03PM

Re: An academic rationale for mobile preservation, or beware: deep thought

Dave Boyer July 22, 2007 10:02PM

Historic "Preservation" and Historic "Renovation"

El Coke July 23, 2007 08:14AM

Re: Historic "Preservation" and Historic "Renovation"

Fred Folk July 23, 2007 10:25AM

Re: D&RGW 315 update

The Josh July 20, 2007 05:07PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update

El Coke July 20, 2007 05:35PM

Re: D&RGW 315 update

AGreene July 20, 2007 05:52PM

Lettering

El Coke July 21, 2007 08:52AM

Warning: Fix EVERYTHING!

El Coke July 21, 2007 08:48AM

Re: D&RGW 315 update

The Josh July 23, 2007 09:36PM

Re: D&RGW 315 old tender

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