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The C&TS must have and use Trk. Specifications.

PRSL
December 14, 2002 09:50AM
The C&TS must have specifications and must train their employees to operate to them, just like every railroad in America. I never said or implied that they should not have specification, but only they must not give them to the FRA, and the FRA has no legal right to ask for them. I am retired from a career in management of a major railroad and I learned over the years that management of all railroad never gave their specification to the ICC or FRA and that government agency has no authority to ask for them. The Act of Congress, which gave the FRA a purpose and authority for a mission, made an intended lack of specification for any narrow gauge track. I know for a fact that the FRA is unhappy with that omission and wants Congress to correct it. Let them go to Congress and have it corrected the right way, if safety justifies! But it looks like the Dallas office of the FRA is intending to develop their own Law and have requested the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic RR Commission to turn over their internal information.
To the folks on this list: I have been called here an extremist by E…, who I respect highly, to must ado about nothing. That’s all personal attacks unrelated to the critical subject. It is clear there are no experienced career management railroader in this list or ones who have the foresight to see that the FRA is beyond their legal bounds. Replies have wondered so far away that we have ended up cleaning McD’s jons. Amazing. The Dallas office of the FRA seems to have private addenda to make their own law where Congress, with good reason, never invaded. Once someone from Chama lets the genie out of the bottle, it will not go back and narrow gauge C&TS will never continue to operate to the costly standards that will be the intended law. It would be better that Chama post a warning notice on the station “Travel at your own risk- this narrow gauge track does not come under Federal Inspection or specifications control”. I know from other sources the FRA want to establish national minimum standard for narrow gauge track and they should go to Congress to get the law changed, if safety justifies (the injuries that E.. alluded to were not track related (no brake club-bad piston travel), except the details of the missing-rail one we will not go into). Funny, how when Black Bart coupled a passenger train to a work train and ran it over un-inspected out-of-service track and nearly rolled the #484 on the icy crossing, the Denver office of the FRA said they had not extended jurisdiction over the line as never any need. D&RGW had rules against the coupling of passenger trains to work trains and surely would never haul passenger over track not inspected after a winter of dormancy. I am sure the FRA has not received other narrow gauge railroad specifications and it should not see the one of the C&TS. When they have the Congressional hearing, they can all put them on the table and work it out. The C&TS is not qualified to make the rules for the nation.
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Report On The Commission Meeting 12-09-02

roger hogan December 10, 2002 10:06AM

Re: Report On The Commission Meeting 12-09-02

Frank Martindell December 11, 2002 08:37AM

Re: Next time you are in Chama

Jay Wimer December 12, 2002 06:03AM

C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng spec

PRSL December 11, 2002 09:24AM

C&TS specific written standards

Mark Valerius December 11, 2002 10:35AM

Re: C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng

Paul D December 11, 2002 10:41AM

Re: Why not use D&RGW practice as standard? *NM*

Brian Barr December 11, 2002 12:07PM

Common Sense

Bob Keller December 11, 2002 03:42PM

Re: Much ado about nothing

Jay Wimer December 11, 2002 05:32PM

Re: C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng

Robby Peartree December 11, 2002 06:21PM

Re: C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng

PRSL December 11, 2002 07:04PM

Re: C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng

E December 11, 2002 08:00PM

Re: C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng

Gavin Hamilton December 12, 2002 02:54AM

The CTSRR and the FRA *PIC*

Jay Wimer December 12, 2002 05:29AM

what the heck,over...

jorge gigante December 12, 2002 09:32PM

Re: C&TS Comm. Has NO EXPERIENCE to estab. FRA ng

Linn W. Moedinger December 12, 2002 05:41AM

more like Fox in the Hen house

Rodger Polley December 13, 2002 10:31PM

Written stds aren't a bad thing

Steven Haworth December 12, 2002 08:46AM

Re: Written stds aren't a bad thing

Mik December 12, 2002 02:03PM

No argument there...

Steven Haworth December 12, 2002 02:11PM

Re: No argument there...

Mik December 12, 2002 09:03PM

Re: No argument there...

DvV December 13, 2002 05:08AM

The C&TS must have and use Trk. Specifications.

PRSL December 14, 2002 09:50AM

Re: The C&TS must have and use Trk. Specifications *PIC*

Greg Scholl December 14, 2002 11:41AM

Yes, and it will Endanger all NG lines,except WP&Y *NM*

PRSL December 14, 2002 04:36PM

Being adversarial to the FRA is a dead end street.

Kelly December 15, 2002 07:26AM

Why does this discussion of track get into boilers

PRSL December 15, 2002 09:14AM

Why does this discussion of track get into boilers

Kelly December 15, 2002 10:43AM

Re: Being adversarial to the FRA is a dead end str

G. W. Laepple December 15, 2002 10:25AM

Re: The C&TS must have and use Trk. Specifications

Robby Peartree December 15, 2002 08:30AM

Re: The C&TS must have and use Trk. Specifications

Earl Knoob December 15, 2002 12:54PM

Above Post Make my Case, but are off Que

PRSL December 15, 2002 03:56PM



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