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Who are the "other ones"

August 17, 2005 08:27PM
As I read this, I really feel for Dan, but also understand the "why's" of the rules.
So, if there was a "Historic Locomotive" waver within FRA rules, what would be the criteria, and what would the other locos be?
A loco in question would have to see limited use, and be preserved for its "historic fabric" more than for its functionality (i.e. it wouldn't be eligible if its primary use is pulling trains, so neither of the K27’s would not be eligible)
This is a significant issue at the various rail fairs (Sacramento, Durango, Baltimore) all of which have FRA regulated demonstration railroads, but also have locos which should never be expected to meet FRA rules. (and are only operated for rare, occasional demonstration use)
In addition to Eureka, I would nominate:
John Bull at the Smithsonian
Inyo at the Nevada State RR Museum
in the Future, CP Huntington at CSRM
Any of several early engines at the B&O
Claus Spreckles in Hawaii
In all cases these engines are used purely as demonstrations. All are used under a high level of professional care and supervision. Inyo is used at a greatly reduced boiler pressure. All are being conserved rather than used.
The concept of a historic exemption could be reasonably extended to historic freight cars (what happens if K brakes are outlawed, and do you really want to put reflective tape on all the 3000 class boxcars on the C&T) passenger cars (we displayed (and operated)an 1882 SP combine which didn't have air brakes at Railfair in 1999 or some early diesels (ditch lights)
Randy Hees
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Eureka

Dan Markoff August 14, 2005 12:37PM

"No Exception"?

Jim Poston August 14, 2005 12:55PM

Re: "No Exception"?

Dan Markoff August 14, 2005 01:23PM

Re: "No Exception"?

Jim Poston August 15, 2005 06:58AM

Re: "No Exception"?

Steve Eriksen August 15, 2005 07:54AM

Re: Eureka *LINK*

Chris Webster August 14, 2005 02:47PM

Re: Eureka

Ted Miles August 14, 2005 04:05PM

Re: Eureka

Dan Markoff August 14, 2005 05:42PM

Re: Eureka

Ted Miles August 15, 2005 09:29PM

Re: Eureka

Philip Walters August 14, 2005 07:41PM

Re: Eureka

Phil Reader August 14, 2005 04:49PM

Re: Eureka...here's what I wrote

Steve Eriksen August 14, 2005 10:14PM

Re: Eureka

Kelly Anderson August 15, 2005 08:26AM

Re: Eureka

Dan Markoff August 15, 2005 09:11AM

Re: Eureka

Kelly Anderson August 15, 2005 09:49AM

Re: Eureka

Greg Scholl August 15, 2005 02:33PM

Re: Eureka

Dan Markoff August 15, 2005 05:13PM

Re: Eureka

Greg Scholl August 16, 2005 09:42AM

Re: Eureka

Kyle K. Wyatt August 16, 2005 08:39PM

Re: Eureka

Philip Walters August 14, 2005 07:11PM

Re: Eureka

Jeff Chittick August 15, 2005 11:12AM

Re: Eureka

SZuiderveen August 15, 2005 11:49AM

Re: Eureka

Tom Stewart August 15, 2005 02:55PM

Re: Eureka

Stephen H. August 15, 2005 03:55PM

Re: Eureka

Jeff Chittick August 15, 2005 04:03PM

Re: Eureka

John Craft August 15, 2005 05:38PM

Re: Eureka

Steam REalist August 15, 2005 11:29PM

Re: Eureka

James French August 15, 2005 11:30PM

Re: flues and costs

John Craft August 16, 2005 06:05AM

Re: flues and costs

Jeff Chittick August 16, 2005 07:50AM

Re: flues and costs

Bob K August 16, 2005 09:20AM

Re: flues and costs

Jarvis Arp August 16, 2005 09:15PM

Re: flues and costs

Paul Hagglund August 17, 2005 10:28AM

Re: Eureka

Bob K August 16, 2005 09:12AM

Re: Eureka

John Craft August 16, 2005 06:10AM

Eureka is not the only one...

Dan Markoff August 16, 2005 10:42AM

Re: Eureka is not the only one...

Greg Scholl August 16, 2005 01:01PM

Re: Eureka is not the only one...

Earl Pitts August 16, 2005 05:37PM

Re: Eureka is not the only one...

Dan Markoff August 16, 2005 07:25PM

Re: Eureka is not the only one...

Linn W. Moedinger August 16, 2005 08:46PM

Re: Eureka is not the onlyone...

Dan Markoff August 16, 2005 09:48PM

Re: Eureka is not the onlyone...

Linn W. Moedinger August 17, 2005 06:28PM

Who are the "other ones"

Randy Hees August 17, 2005 08:27PM

Re: Who are the "other ones"

dan August 17, 2005 10:18PM

Re: Who are the "other ones" *LINK*

Randy Hees August 17, 2005 10:30PM

Re: Eureka

Austin Ray August 17, 2005 03:27PM



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