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Re: CHS contract for #111 *PIC*

January 11, 2005 08:26AM
This is so bad it is truely wonderful...
I will leave the issue of confict of interest to others, but...
Included in the contract (page 36 of the City Minues, Section 3.1.4, Grant to Be Used to Restore Engine #111, lines 23 through 25)
"....It is understood and adreed that it shall be a condition of the grant that Engine #111 will be listed on the National Regester of Historic Places by the deadline established in the grant contract."
Now, not just any building or artifact is eligible for listing on the National Register. The “Criteria for Evaluation” are:
“The quality of significance in American history, architecture, archeology, engineering, and culture is present in districts, sites, buildings, structures, and objects that possess integrity of location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, and association, and:
A. That are associated with events that have made a significant contribution to the broad patterns of our history; or
B. That are associated with the lives of persons significant in our past; or
C. That embody the distinctive characteristics of a type, period, or method of construction, or that represent the work of a master, or that possess high artistic values, or that represent a significant and distinguishable entity whose components may lack individual distinction; or
D. That have yielded or may be likely to yield, information important in prehistory or history. “
As a Central American engine which never operated in the United States (well maybe a test run at the Baldwin Plant in Philidephia) how would one argue this locomotive has a relaitionship to Colorado railroading? It has no integraty of location, and no assciation with Colorado or even US history, indivduals or events (ok, it might have significance if displayed in Pennsilvania as a Baldwin built locomotive) and it is not of a common style used on the C&S (yes, they had the single outside frame loco from the Burlington.) So it would be problimatic to argue it was typical of the area, and it is not likely to provide information which could not be fround on many other Baldwin outside frame locos (like the D&RGW K27, 36 or 37 styles, or the two locos at the Colorado Railroad Museum)
The Society might have enough politial pull to have the Colorado SHPO accept their listing, but it is unlikely to fly at a Federal level
Randy Hees
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CHS contract for #111 *LINK*

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Randy Hees January 11, 2005 08:26AM

Enraging....

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