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Lowered Expections and #9

Ed Kelley
January 06, 2005 03:45PM
Some people wonder why myself and others complain when Disney went for diesel locomotives for their new park, against the ideology that its founder based on the railroads at the parks. But here lies a good comparison...lowering standards.
If a railroad's reputation is STEAM, then indeed...you're going to see a HUGE ridership drop the next year. While here on the East Coast where 1 out of 100 people in New York City have ever seen a steam locomotive (except with Disney and such) and are easily tricked by the Chance amusement fakes dressed up as "steam", Coloradans (and Californians) KNOW steam. They're well familiar with it. They're GOING to know the difference! While we can all share horror stories about the stupidity sometimes of the general public (even with an 18" gauge park railroad in Silicon Valley!), give them at least that today, I'd say they're going to care if there's a difference...especially since it looks like it.
While there's many fine railroads out there running all-diesels (Napa Valley Wine Train, Santa Cruz Big Trees & Pacific, Adirondack Scenic Railroad, etc.), they've always been that way in their current incarnation and the public knows it. But the keywords here are LOWERING STANDARDS. When you have a 99% steam railroad for 30 years, and then even longer beforehand, people are going to know...and the figures will show. And yes, false advertising will really get people. The locomotive on their brochure looks more like the #161 out in Golden than the #9. Today is January 6th; you can't get a basket-case, neglected-park-display locomotive restored in 4 months unless it's 24-hour work with a crew that could fill up the MGM Grand!
Given CHS' deep pockets, I'm surprised they didn't slip a big check out to a boiler company somewhere to secretly build one of those all-welded modernin pressure vessels off-site...bring it in, plop it atop the running gear of the #9, and get the plumbing work done in time. That's the only way that locomotive could even possibly be running in May, and given what CHS has said about how important boilers are (and it would destroy "hisotry", a philosophy by many historical (museum), non-tourist-operating RR groups), they probably didn't even see the need! I'm sure that locomotive is as loose as the door handle at the abandoned station down the road, and so out of square that it's almost in circle. Though I'd say that given the Uhrichs' capabilities...4 months for the running gear work sounds half-reasonable...but then again, I haven't seen the locomotive.
The WW&F guys up in Maine are working to get a new boiler to replace the reinforced lap-seam boiler on THEIR #9 (Maine is one of the states that outlawed this). If the locomotive was in the hands of a competent organization other than the now-called Colorado Hysterical Society, this would probably be the best way for the locomotive to operate again; though of course it would be best suited for museum displays. Keep in mind even the larger Consolidations I hear even had to be double-headed as THEY struggled up that grade. Only in the advent of the Ashbys bringing in the Shays were long trains able to be hauled by a lone locomotive. A new boiler might steam better, and perhaps more weight on the drivers or such could give a greater tractive effort...but the rest of the locomotive isn't going to mutate into a larger and more powerful (and newer) locomotive. It's 120 years old, and that is NOT to be forgotten! If those CHS guys were that old they'd be rotting in a wooden box under a pile of dirt! This locomotive isn't suited for the long trains for the high volumes of passengers on the Georgetown Loop; but today, rather a museum train such as the another Loop; the loop of track around the CRRM. It's either replicas, Central American or Cuban exports, or Shays. Well, what'ya know, the latter took care of the Loop's steam roster for 30 years just fine...and they caused the whole problem themselves!! Symapthy for these locomotive-seekers? I don't think so.
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New Georgetown Loop website

Ron Ruhoff January 05, 2005 04:42PM

Re: New Georgetown Loop website

byelen January 05, 2005 07:18PM

Or Underwhelmed???

Robert January 06, 2005 07:11AM

Re: Or Underwhelmed???

Wooly January 06, 2005 12:38PM

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Kerry Ann January 05, 2005 07:30PM

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Ron Ruhoff January 06, 2005 07:18AM

#9...*sigh*

Ed Kelley January 06, 2005 10:58AM

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John January 05, 2005 08:43PM

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Ed Kelley January 05, 2005 09:02PM

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South Park January 06, 2005 10:06AM

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Ed Kelley January 06, 2005 10:32AM

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Ron Ruhoff January 06, 2005 10:56AM

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Steve Stockham January 06, 2005 11:44AM

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South Park January 06, 2005 02:16PM

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Steve Stockham January 06, 2005 04:14PM

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South Park January 06, 2005 05:29PM

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Ed Kelley January 06, 2005 06:02PM

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Karell Reader January 06, 2005 06:34PM

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Steve Stockham January 07, 2005 05:54AM

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Bruce R. Pier January 06, 2005 03:33PM

Lowered Expections and #9

Ed Kelley January 06, 2005 03:45PM

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Alan January 07, 2005 01:29AM

Re: New Georgetown Loop website

Randy Buchter January 07, 2005 08:29AM

Re: New Georgetown Loop website

Ed Kelley January 07, 2005 03:01PM

It's not just a new operator?

Scott Hightower January 07, 2005 04:59PM

Re: It's not just a new operator?

Jim Poston January 07, 2005 08:38PM

Re: It's not just a new operator?

Scott Hightower January 08, 2005 03:40AM

Georgetown Loop GM Named...

Scott Hightower January 06, 2005 03:16PM

Re: Georgetown Loop GM Named... *LINK* *PIC*

John January 06, 2005 04:03PM

Re: Georgetown Loop GM Named... *LINK*

John January 06, 2005 04:04PM

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Bruce Yelen January 07, 2005 12:51PM

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Wooly January 07, 2005 02:39PM

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Ed Kelley January 07, 2005 03:05PM

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Bruce R. Pier January 07, 2005 03:14PM

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Ed Kelley January 07, 2005 05:09PM

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Chris Webster January 07, 2005 09:21PM

Good Background for the GM of a Mountain Railroad *LINK*

Chris Webster January 07, 2005 04:27PM

Re: Good Background for the GM of a Mountain Railr

Chris Weaver January 07, 2005 05:48PM

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Rob Mangels January 13, 2005 12:28AM

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Mike Stillwell January 13, 2005 06:02AM

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Karell Reader January 13, 2005 07:36AM

Re: Good Background for the GM of a Mountain Railr *LINK*

Jim Poston January 13, 2005 08:07AM

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Don Richter January 13, 2005 08:38AM

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Rob Mangels January 13, 2005 10:38AM

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Mike Stillwell January 13, 2005 10:44AM

Re: Mount Union

Andy Roth January 13, 2005 10:52AM

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Steve Stockham January 13, 2005 06:41PM

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Ed Kelley January 13, 2005 07:03PM

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Karell Reader January 07, 2005 07:30PM

Re: Another CLASS ACT G.M. for Historic Georgetown *LINK*

PRSL January 08, 2005 08:58AM

Re: Another CLASS ACT G.M. for Historic Georgetown

charlie January 08, 2005 09:21AM

Re: Another CLASS ACT G.M. for Historic Georgetown

Kelly January 08, 2005 09:29PM

Re: Shays

Jerry Huck January 09, 2005 01:16AM

Re: Shays *NM* *PIC*

Kelly January 09, 2005 07:27PM

Re: Okay.....

Jerry Huck January 09, 2005 07:40PM

Re: Shays-2 *NM* *PIC*

Kelly January 09, 2005 07:36PM

Wheels that fall off.....

Rodger Polley January 09, 2005 10:45PM

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Kelly January 10, 2005 04:51PM

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steve b January 10, 2005 08:02PM

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Gavin Hamilton January 11, 2005 01:23PM

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steve b January 14, 2005 09:29AM

gues I should read farther...

Rodger Polley January 09, 2005 10:48PM

re-gauging a shay...

Earl January 10, 2005 07:39AM

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PRSL January 10, 2005 07:30PM

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Kelly January 10, 2005 08:36PM

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PRSL January 16, 2005 03:23PM

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Rodger Polley January 17, 2005 11:10PM

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Mik January 18, 2005 12:01PM

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Tom Shreve January 16, 2005 08:39PM

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PRSL January 17, 2005 08:49AM

for arguments sake......

Rodger Polley January 17, 2005 11:03PM

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PRSL January 17, 2005 08:51AM

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PRSL January 21, 2005 08:00AM

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Tom Shreve January 21, 2005 08:51AM

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PRSL January 23, 2005 09:12PM

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Rodger Polley January 23, 2005 10:53PM

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PRSL January 24, 2005 06:20AM

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Lon Wall January 26, 2005 02:20PM

a note to the moderators.

Earl Knoob January 24, 2005 09:45AM

Re: Consider the Source

Mike Stillwell January 24, 2005 10:03AM

Re: a note to the moderators.

Don Richter January 24, 2005 01:29PM

Re: Re-gauging a Shay...

Jess VanWinkle January 21, 2005 11:25AM

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Jeff Badger January 21, 2005 08:02PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re-gauging a dern Shay...

jorge gigante January 21, 2005 07:53PM

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Chris January 22, 2005 11:43PM

Quiet!!

Skip Luke January 19, 2005 02:00PM

Re: Quiet!!

Norm Acker January 19, 2005 03:38PM

Re: Quiet!!

Jack January 19, 2005 05:38PM

Re: Quiet!!

Steve Stockham January 19, 2005 05:43PM



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