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Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

September 06, 2010 09:29AM avatar
Abqfoamer Wrote:
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> Still makes no sense to me.
>
> Their scope of investigation seems too limited,
> given the discovered span warping, lifting of
> abutment anchors, concerns that the original
> safety factor may now be less due to heavier locos
> using Lobato. Why not investigate ALL essential
> factors involved in rebuilding the structure?

Paul, I agree with what you're saying, but the approach documented in the report does make a lot of sense to me. Consider three points:

(1) In order to investigate "ALL essential factors involved in rebuilding the structure", you need different types of expertise. To investigate the superstructure, you need engineers and technicians who are capable of safely climbing the bridge and can do their work while suspended from the bridge. To investigate the substructure, you need engineers and technicians who are qualified at subsurface investigations...which is a very different expertise.

(2) If it were my project (thankfully it's not!), I would start at the top and work my way down. I would figure out what is needed to be done to the spans and, once I knew that, I could calculate how much extra loading (weight) that added to the substructure. For example, if the evaluation determined that it was necessary to add extra beams between the existing beams, those new beams would add extra loading.)

I would only start the analysis of the substructure once I knew how much loading the repaired or replaced superstructure would be applying to the substructure.

(3) We don't know how much money was available to fund the investigation. IMHO, limited funds were best spent on investigating the spans.

Other NGDF posters have suggested that us Lobato posters should shut-up and be quiet until the next C&TS Commission meeting. IMHO, unless the commission has already contracted an analysis of the substructure, there will be no "Plan for repair of Lobato Trestle" by the September 30, 2010 Commission meeting... which is only 3 weeks and 3 days from now.

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Chris Webster
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Lobato Trestle Report

Roger Hogan September 02, 2010 05:57PM

No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

Chris Webster September 02, 2010 08:09PM

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Greg Raven September 02, 2010 08:12PM

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Dave Boyer September 02, 2010 08:26PM

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Greg Raven September 02, 2010 08:34PM

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Dave Boyer September 02, 2010 08:53PM

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Chris Webster September 02, 2010 09:24PM

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AGreene September 02, 2010 09:28PM

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Dave Boyer September 02, 2010 09:33PM

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rdmstr September 02, 2010 10:30PM

Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

Abqfoamer September 03, 2010 02:07PM

Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

Chris Webster September 03, 2010 04:02PM

Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

Abqfoamer September 03, 2010 10:49PM

Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

Chris Webster September 06, 2010 09:29AM

Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

El Nehi September 03, 2010 11:37AM

Re: No consideration of the piers, abutments and foundations! Re: Lobato Trestle Report

Chris Webster September 03, 2010 04:15PM

Thank you for posting this...

Samart September 03, 2010 07:08AM

Re: Lobato Trestle Report Attachments

Rich Murray September 03, 2010 08:53AM

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Jon Bentz September 04, 2010 11:57AM

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Skip September 04, 2010 01:04PM

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Paul Dalleska September 04, 2010 02:28PM

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Rob Gardner September 04, 2010 02:31PM

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Abqfoamer September 04, 2010 03:58PM

PRICE QUESTION:

Ron Keagle September 05, 2010 11:11AM

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Chris Webster September 06, 2010 09:22AM

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Greg Raven September 06, 2010 11:49AM



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