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Re: signals?

dan
November 20, 2000 08:31PM
This is in response to all the other comments about how to solve C&TS's crossing situation. Here at SVRy as Ron Brinton related, we had an incident a few years ago where a lady said she couldn't see the tracks, and didn't think we were a real railroad, and knocked our speeder and 2 volunteers onto the Oregon Hwy 7 pavement. This and other near incidents prompted us to install a crossing gate. We hired a retired UP (I think) guy to oversee the installation.
The gate works and the cab crew also eyes the crossing closely just to make certain no one tries to go around. So far so good. I have seen an elderly couple in an older Suburban with large vacation trailor barely stop at the gates, and almost ditched it, and a VW attempt to go around until he finally saw us (with bell on and whistle sounding for the crossing). Then the problem happened this summer.
The gate began to go up and down unceasingly. Someone finally called a local Sheriff who knew to call one of our people who then called our Signals and Communications guy. He went out and disabled it until a permanent fix could be made. This happened during the week (we only run on weekends thus far). He later found a bad rail jumper and fixed the problem. Now enter the FRA (possibly).
I attended a short line FRA conference in Portland in September. One thing really stood out at this conference. FRA inspects rails, cars, lokies etc., but they really concern themselves about crossing gates. They look at everything you can imagine including the colorimetry and brightness of the warning lights, timing for the train to the gate, and most of all reliability. Schematics have to be kept up-to-date and all modifications recorded. Batteries have to be checked and on and on. Problems must be resolved within minutes, not hours. Their biggest concern is a faulty gate will lead the public to distrust crossing gates and begin to go around them.
I obtained a 2 page list of fines for infractions. Beginning at $2k and up to I think $15k for a real serious infraction. The FRA inspectors and Northwest area short line technicians are a close group and communicate well, but I think it is well understood that theirs is a serious endevour. So, reading all the comments on this on ngdiscussion plus what I learned at FRA has caused us at SVRy to rethink the whole situation. Even to the thought of going back to a flagged crossing. BTW, if a crossing gate fails, the crew or someone MUST flag the crossing.
What if someone gets injured or is killed because of a faulty gate? Who is liable? The railroad? The Engineer? The Signal Maintenance Technician? So now we will form a committee to look closely into all this and include an outside consultant.
Bottom line: Look real close at establishing a crossing gate. You may want to just flag the crossing.
dan, Trainmaster, SVRy
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Something to think about

rdmstr November 17, 2000 06:05PM

Re: Something to think about

David Dewey November 17, 2000 06:57PM

Re: Something to think about

Earl Knoob November 18, 2000 08:03AM

Re: Something to think about

RichB November 18, 2000 10:35AM

Re: Truckers & Police

Brian Norden November 18, 2000 11:01AM

Re: Operation Lifesaver

Wade Hall November 18, 2000 11:25AM

Re: Truckers & Police

Earl Knoob November 18, 2000 03:17PM

Bad grade crossings

El Coke November 18, 2000 05:07PM

Re: Something to think about

rdmstr November 18, 2000 07:28PM

Re: Something to think about

jhs November 18, 2000 09:21PM

Tragedy, a few laughs, and more tradegy

John West November 18, 2000 10:18PM

signals?

tim olson November 19, 2000 09:00AM

That's a problem

El Coke November 19, 2000 10:12AM

Crossing protection

John West November 19, 2000 10:21AM

Re: Crossing protection

Wade Hall November 19, 2000 01:40PM

Re: Crossing protection

Boomer November 19, 2000 02:30PM

What Scenic did .

El Coke November 19, 2000 02:34PM

Re: What Scenic did .

RBrinton November 19, 2000 04:03PM

Flagmen

John old man West November 19, 2000 04:41PM

Who stops for whom?

Les Jarrett November 19, 2000 06:52PM

Re: Who stops for whom?

J. B. Bane November 19, 2000 08:53PM

Flagmen's effectiveness

John West November 19, 2000 09:29PM

Re: Flagmen's effectiveness

Fred T November 19, 2000 11:37PM

Re: Flagmen's effectiveness

Earl the flagman November 20, 2000 06:57AM

Re: Flagmen's effectiveness

John the optimist West November 20, 2000 01:32PM

Re: Flagmen's effectiveness

Duane Richardson November 20, 2000 07:56AM

Re: Flagmen's effectiveness

O. Anderson November 20, 2000 02:18PM

Re: Flagmen

Boris Serena November 19, 2000 10:42PM

Re: Crossing protection

Art Chase November 19, 2000 10:51PM

Re: Crossing protection

Brian Norden November 19, 2000 11:02PM

In reply to Art and Brian

John West November 19, 2000 11:18PM

Re: In reply to Art and Brian

Art Chase November 20, 2000 10:18AM

Re: In reply to Art and Brian

G. W. Laepple November 21, 2000 12:39PM

130 program, bubble gum, and car fires

John West November 21, 2000 05:30PM

Re: 130 program, bubble gum, and car fires

Ryan Scott November 22, 2000 06:31PM

Flashers on the Narrow Gauge

Jessica Stacey November 23, 2000 09:21AM

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Earl Knoob November 25, 2000 08:32AM

Re: Flashers on the Narrow Gauge

Dave Lamson November 28, 2000 10:31PM

Re: Flashers on the Narrow Gauge

Earl November 29, 2000 01:24PM

California flashers

John West November 30, 2000 01:14PM

Re: 130 program, bubble gum, and car fires

J. B. Bane November 23, 2000 11:10AM

Re: 130 program, bubble gum, and car fires

Brian Norden November 26, 2000 11:36PM

Re: 130 program, bubble gum, and car fires

pmcassell November 28, 2000 06:54PM

SP San Joaquin

Brian Norden November 28, 2000 11:24PM

Re: signals?

dan November 20, 2000 08:31PM

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Chris November 21, 2000 04:20PM

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J. B. Bane November 21, 2000 07:59PM

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Oil Czar November 21, 2000 08:48PM

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Dave Lamson (ex-B&M) November 21, 2000 11:20PM

Re: signals?

dan November 22, 2000 09:15AM

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George Gaskill November 24, 2000 11:12AM

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dan November 24, 2000 02:09PM

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Oil Czar November 24, 2000 09:20PM

Re: signals?

George Gaskill November 24, 2000 11:44PM

Re: signals?

RBrinton November 25, 2000 09:07AM

Re: Something to think about

James R. Temple November 20, 2000 12:55AM

I'd vote for flaggers

Stevo del Applegato November 22, 2000 12:37PM



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