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Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

July 01, 2004 10:29AM
Steve,
Having not read the Colorado Timetable, I will just address the salient points of your post.
IF I were the concessionaire, here is how I would counter. I would request 30% of the NET profits in order to maintain and improve my part of the property. Remember, Net is the key word, that's after maintenance, upkeep, wages, taxes, tributes, vigorish, etc.
The rest of the 70% of the net I would turn over to the CHS. Why? Because since I am concessionaire and have to employ my own people for my own portion of the operation, I see no reason to encumber my work force with the accounting that the CHS wants for disribution to Plume and G.Town. After all, if it's their idea, let them implement it. On a more practical and telling plane, I would like to see what happend wien the local CHS people get whatever profit in their hot little hands. Will it go to the communities? I sincerely doubt it. Money in hand has a way of skewing peoples perspectives to a great degree. Altruism usually goes right out the window.
Also, the statement abbout no tie plates is absolute rubbish. When the C&S upgraded portions of the Clear Creek lines, they used any where from 57 to 85 lb rail depending on what was available. What went underneath it? Tie Plates, of course. I can prove this statement with a federal document that the CHS has never read, those being the field notes from the 1916 C&S Valuation. If the CHS is so stupid as to want to shorten the tie life of the loop, then maybe the will want to go back to pine, spruce and fir ties instead of the hardwood ties currently in use. This will give them the authentic sagging, swaying and wide gauge (and hence derailments) of the original line. Since the effective life of the ties will be shortened by about 2/3, they can also spend more. Oh Yes, to make it more authentic, we can also go back to the 36-40lb rails, which will give the tourists another thrill with rail breaks and insufficient support for the equipment that they are operating. Maybe they can get Oregon Steel's Minnequa mill to make them a special run at cubic bucks.
After that, let's go back to cast Iron boilers and Iron rail. That ought to be a real thrill when they stress crack.
All in all, what the RFP proposes is short sighted, ignorant and shows the true lack of understanding that the CHS has when it comes to operating an actual business. They are lucky to have had the GTL for all those years.
Bye the way... Some friends in Central City told me that the CHS contacted them about operating the 71 on the Loop. Central City declined. After the last operator got through with the 71, it needs a whole new boiler.
Rick
Subject Author Posted

CHS RFP for the Loop

Shane Schabow June 29, 2004 06:11PM

Re: CHS RFP for the Loop

Paul June 29, 2004 07:39PM

Graverobbing Dingbats

Stephen Peck June 30, 2004 11:02AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Mike Stillwell June 30, 2004 11:43AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Herb Kelsey June 30, 2004 04:30PM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/

Skip Luke July 04, 2004 01:41AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/

Stephen Peck July 04, 2004 05:50AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/and the CHS

Rick Steele July 04, 2004 09:06AM

Re: Tie Plates

Skip Luke July 04, 2004 11:47AM

Re: Tie Plates

Rick Steele July 05, 2004 08:20AM

Re: Tie Plates

Skip Luke July 05, 2004 12:11PM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/

Skip Luke July 04, 2004 11:43AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/... and another thing!

Skip Luke July 06, 2004 01:25AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/... and another thing!

Stephen Peck July 06, 2004 06:19AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc../ Grumpy Old Man

Skip Luke July 06, 2004 09:31PM

Re: Link & Pin, etc../ Grumpy Old Man

Stephen Peck July 07, 2004 08:43AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc../ Grumpy Old Man

Skip Luke July 08, 2004 12:19AM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/... and another thing!

Hoss The Wideload July 06, 2004 10:31PM

No need to be ashamed, Hoss, he deserves it. *NM*

Natasha Bettis July 06, 2004 11:00PM

Re: jobs

Skip Luke July 06, 2004 11:42PM

Re: jobs

Hoss The Wideload July 07, 2004 07:04AM

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Skip Luke July 08, 2004 12:22AM

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Hoss The Wideload July 08, 2004 08:37AM

Re: jobs

Skip Luke July 08, 2004 09:23PM

Re: jobs

Hoss The Wideload July 09, 2004 03:07PM

Re: Link & Pin, etc/

Ken July 04, 2004 06:46AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Don Richter June 30, 2004 06:02PM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Karasu June 30, 2004 08:01PM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats *LINK*

Stephen Peck June 30, 2004 08:47PM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Karasu June 30, 2004 08:59PM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Stephen Peck June 30, 2004 09:17PM

Cockroaches run............

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Skip Luke July 04, 2004 01:47AM

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South Park July 04, 2004 10:24AM

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Steve Stockham July 04, 2004 02:01PM

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Douglas vV July 04, 2004 06:04PM

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Steve Stockham July 05, 2004 11:35AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Stephen Peck July 05, 2004 12:33PM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Don Richter July 05, 2004 02:56PM

Re: Ulterior motives?

Skip Luke July 05, 2004 03:33PM

Re: Ulterior motives?

Andy Roth July 06, 2004 09:09AM

Loop Condos for sale

Mark Valerius July 06, 2004 12:52PM

Re: Loop Condos for sale

Ken July 06, 2004 02:50PM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

douten July 01, 2004 10:18AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Don Richter July 01, 2004 08:47AM

Misinformed Something-ter-others

Stephen Peck July 01, 2004 09:28AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Rick Steele July 01, 2004 10:29AM

can't change the terms

Stephen Peck July 01, 2004 11:12AM

Re: can't change the terms?

Rick Steele July 02, 2004 07:33AM

Re: Graverobbing Dingbats

Shane Schabow July 01, 2004 02:52PM

Greskas won't respond to RFP *LINK*

Scott Hightower July 02, 2004 06:29AM

Re: Greskas won't respond to RFP

Rick Steele July 02, 2004 07:34AM

Ladies and Gentlemen...

Don Richter July 02, 2004 08:32AM

Re: Ladies and Gentlemen...

Steve Zuiderveen July 02, 2004 07:44PM



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