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Re: who own's 463?

April 02, 2004 06:20AM
Mike,
Point very well taken! This is also assuming that there are the maximum number of trains running from Durango each and every morning. Unfortunately, when I was there last July the early train was not running so there were only four trains and not five! I don't know if this was due to lack of patronage or availability of engines as #481 was down for repairs.
Still, if the D&S want another K-36 the only real answer is #483. I don't see the C&T ever giving up 484, 487, 488 or 489! The K-37 caused too much damage to the track over in Durango so that one is out of the question too! The C&T needs to have at least five operable steam locomotives at any given time for normal operations.
It's a real shame as #463 is the odd man out. As you say, the revenue generated by just two more cars per train over the season adds up to BIG money! That's why a swap between a K-27 needing repairs for a K-28 will NEVER happen!
BUT....(ah! the little wheels are turning over now!) what about a swap between engines needing repairs? The #476 for the #483? It's not quite an even deal as the #483 is in need of a major restoration and #476 needs a major repair!
Why do it? For the potential! The D&S run four or five trains daily. They have two active K-28's and four active K-36's! I suspect that the loss of #481 last year affected them rather more severely than I had realized. Another K-36 would be welcome and as I stated in my other post, I feel that the D&S is in a much better position to attempt the restoration of #483 than is the C&T!
There's no real reason for the D&S to pursue this as they have a very nice static display for their museum and #483 is an unsightly mess. Throw in #463 to sweeten the deal and the D&S might just think about it!
Now we come to the C&T people who indignantly say "NO WAY!!" Well, why not? The #463 isn't even on the stove let alone the back burner and #483 needs more than the C&T will ever be willing to give. It's not a perfect deal but it is probably the only way we will ever see these three engines running again!
Now, dreaming aside the most likely scenario: The D&S continues to use #476 as a display in their museum. If at some time they decide that the need warrants the expenditure of money for repairs then and only then will they repair #476.
Over on the C&T, while still struggling to even exist, the #483 still lies there slowly rusting away in Chama while over in Antonito the #463 (having been ignored in favor of keeping the K-36's running) still lies where it has been parked still waiting for those repairs that would make it operational and waiting and waiting....
One small bit of good news however, the K-37 after years of waiting is finally in the shop having it's boiler redone and will be projected to be back in operation next season. The only real difference between this projected future date and 2001-2002 is the loss of #463 as an active locomotive. As I said, it's only a scenario but I do think it IS the most likely one.
Subject Author Posted

C&T Locomotive questions(483,489,492)

Mike Schur March 22, 2004 12:41PM

Re: C&T Locomotive questions(483,489,492) *LINK* *PIC*

John Kelly (K-36 487) March 22, 2004 03:56PM

Re: C&T Locomotive questions(483,489,492)

Fred T March 22, 2004 05:09PM

492

Kevin Cook March 23, 2004 02:16AM

Re: 492

Earl March 23, 2004 08:01PM

Re: 483

Steve Gilbert March 24, 2004 04:32PM

Re: 483

Douglas vV March 24, 2004 05:02PM

Ditto Doug vV's comments plus...

Mark Valerius March 25, 2004 11:23AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Steve Gilbert March 25, 2004 07:38PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Mark Valerius March 26, 2004 09:20AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Douglas vV March 26, 2004 09:54AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

WP&Ymike March 26, 2004 11:08AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Taylor Rush March 26, 2004 01:09PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

jbbane March 26, 2004 03:01PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

WP&Ymike March 26, 2004 05:01PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Taylor Rush March 26, 2004 11:29PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Herb Kelsey March 30, 2004 05:12PM

28's and dreaming

K28drgw March 28, 2004 11:33AM

Does #483's fate await #463?

Steve Stockham March 28, 2004 08:36PM

Re: Does #483's fate await #463?

Kevin Bush March 28, 2004 09:46PM

Re: Does #483's fate await #463?

PRSL March 29, 2004 06:04AM

Re: Does #483's fate await #463?

Douglas vV March 29, 2004 07:41AM

#463 in helper service?

John Frank March 29, 2004 07:35PM

ALWAYS?

Douglas vV March 29, 2004 08:33PM

Re: use of motive power.

Earl March 29, 2004 10:03PM

Re: use of motive power.

Tom Stewart March 29, 2004 10:34PM

Re: use of motive power.

Brian Jansky March 30, 2004 06:40AM

Re: use of motive power.

Mike Stillwell March 30, 2004 07:20AM

Re: use of motive power.

Fred Garvin M. P. March 30, 2004 07:34AM

Re: use of motive power.

John Frank March 30, 2004 09:52AM

Vodoo Economics

John Frank March 30, 2004 12:13PM

Re: Vodoo Economics

Brian Jansky March 30, 2004 02:51PM

Hoodoo Economics

WP&Ymike March 30, 2004 05:26PM

Profit vs. Emotional Economics

George Gaskill April 01, 2004 04:34PM

Re: Profit vs. Emotional Economics

John Frank April 02, 2004 03:04PM

reality - economics vs history

Douglas vV April 01, 2004 05:30PM

Re: reality - economics vs history

John Frank April 02, 2004 03:02PM

Re: reality - economics vs history

Ted Miles April 03, 2004 09:12PM

#476

Mike Trent April 01, 2004 06:52PM

Re: #476

Steve Stockham April 01, 2004 08:27PM

Marginally Smaller" Econ 101

Mike Trent April 01, 2004 09:11PM

who own's 463?

Douglas vV April 01, 2004 10:03PM

Re: who own's 463?

Steve Stockham April 02, 2004 06:20AM

Re: who own's 463?

Nephrite April 02, 2004 06:58AM

463? I don't think so...

Kevin Cook April 02, 2004 09:02AM

Re: 463? I don't think so...

Doug Jones April 02, 2004 02:28PM

I agree

Kevin Cook April 02, 2004 02:37PM

Re: 463? I don't think so...

Kevin Bush April 04, 2004 10:13PM

Re: 463? I don't think so...

Steve Stockham April 05, 2004 07:12PM

Rebuild or Build from Ground Up

Ken April 05, 2004 07:42PM

Milling rods

Erik Ledbetter April 06, 2004 06:13AM

Re: Milling rods

Kevin Bush April 06, 2004 09:30AM

Re: Milling rods

Fred T April 06, 2004 12:01PM

Another fly in the ointment

Don Richter April 02, 2004 08:10AM

Re: Marginally Smaller" Econ 101

Andy Roth April 02, 2004 07:49AM

Re: Marginally Smaller" Econ 101

Mike Trent April 02, 2004 04:24PM

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Rex Sherwood April 02, 2004 08:49AM

Re: #476

Tim Schreiner April 02, 2004 09:07AM

Re: #476

Steve Stockham April 02, 2004 09:33AM

Hey Steve

Kevin Cook April 02, 2004 01:30PM

Re: #476

Edgar G. Lowrance April 05, 2004 07:01PM

Re: #476

Douglas vV April 05, 2004 10:36PM

Re: #476

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 10:26AM

Re: #476 *LINK* *PIC*

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 10:40AM

track to Antonito

Douglas vV April 06, 2004 02:06PM

Re: #476

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 10:49AM

Re: #476

Mike Stillwell April 06, 2004 11:24AM

Re: #476

Craig Kumler April 06, 2004 12:44PM

Re: #476

Clovis Bumpkin April 06, 2004 04:25PM

463 - they can't sell it

Kevin Cook April 06, 2004 05:45PM

Re: #476

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 12:22PM

Re: #476

Ted Miles April 06, 2004 12:49PM

Re: #476?

WP&Ymike April 06, 2004 12:52PM

Usless appendage?

Douglas vV April 06, 2004 01:57PM

Re: Usless appendage?

South Park April 06, 2004 11:59PM

Re: Usless appendage?

Steve Stockham April 07, 2004 09:48PM



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