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Re: #476

April 01, 2004 08:27PM
Doesn't #476's boiler have to be re-done anyway? The K-28's are only marginally smaller than the K-36's. I understand (especially reading these posts) that economics is a major factor in the decisions as to what will be restored and what will run but considering the fact that there are only three remaining K-28's (with two of them currently down needing repairs) it would seem important to try and keep them in operational condition.
I understand the situation with the boiler re-certification. It would seem that the D&S is actually in way better shape there than is the C&T! The D&S shops are fully capable of refurbishing the #476 and I am surprised that they have not seen fit to include it's "restoration" in their long-term (and not just "someday hopefully") plans (unless I am mistaken and somebody knows diferently.)
The D&S has stated that they are always in need of more engines (yes, they actually said that!) Considering the fact that they have one already in relatively good shape with only a complete boiler replacement and frame rebuild necessary (Okay, so it'll take more than duct tape and JB Weld to fix this problem! It still is miniscule compared to what the C&T faces in trying to get all of their engines back up to par!)
All of this brings us back to #483 and #463. It's not a question of #463 vs #483 (at least I hope it hasn't come to that!) My original post was that #463 is now setting dead at Antonito. I am worried that it will suffer the same fate as that of poor #483!
This might be considered sacrilege but has anyone thought of trading #463 and #483 for a working K-28? The D&S would get two more engines, the C&T would get a working K-28 and two problems are solved!
What? I've overlooked the fact that #483 is just a few parts shy of being complete? Nope. I thought of it. The K-36 is the most desireable engine for reasons already stated. Having another would be in the D&S's best interests.
What about the fact that it would take years to put it back together? Probably, and also cost a mint but that is the price you pay when you are planning for the future!
Why add in #463? Simple. It can be repaired relatively easily. It could then be used in place of the missing K-28 while #483 is undergoing restoration. Cost? Again, this could be absorbed by the D&S far easier than the C&T for any forseable future.
Basically it's a swap. A good (but smaller)engine for one that's larger but not in good condition and throw in a still smaller engine (that also has problems but not serious ones) to sweeten the pot!
I see two problems with this scenario:
#1. The D&S won't want to give up their K-28 for two broken down engines even if one of them is a K-36 and the other could be made to run relatively easily.
#2. The C&T wouldn't want to give up #483 as it was "their first" and is somehow sentimentally connected with their railroad (even though they have let it deteriorate to the point where only a major restoration project will ever see it run again!) Also, they will not want to give up two engines for one even if it means that they would get a working K-28!
Well, those are my ramblings. I eagerly await all the howls of derision that I'm sure will follow my "suggestions".
Subject Author Posted

C&T Locomotive questions(483,489,492)

Mike Schur March 22, 2004 12:41PM

Re: C&T Locomotive questions(483,489,492) *LINK* *PIC*

John Kelly (K-36 487) March 22, 2004 03:56PM

Re: C&T Locomotive questions(483,489,492)

Fred T March 22, 2004 05:09PM

492

Kevin Cook March 23, 2004 02:16AM

Re: 492

Earl March 23, 2004 08:01PM

Re: 483

Steve Gilbert March 24, 2004 04:32PM

Re: 483

Douglas vV March 24, 2004 05:02PM

Ditto Doug vV's comments plus...

Mark Valerius March 25, 2004 11:23AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Steve Gilbert March 25, 2004 07:38PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Mark Valerius March 26, 2004 09:20AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Douglas vV March 26, 2004 09:54AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

WP&Ymike March 26, 2004 11:08AM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Taylor Rush March 26, 2004 01:09PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

jbbane March 26, 2004 03:01PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

WP&Ymike March 26, 2004 05:01PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Taylor Rush March 26, 2004 11:29PM

Re: K-27 vs K-28 vs K-36

Herb Kelsey March 30, 2004 05:12PM

28's and dreaming

K28drgw March 28, 2004 11:33AM

Does #483's fate await #463?

Steve Stockham March 28, 2004 08:36PM

Re: Does #483's fate await #463?

Kevin Bush March 28, 2004 09:46PM

Re: Does #483's fate await #463?

PRSL March 29, 2004 06:04AM

Re: Does #483's fate await #463?

Douglas vV March 29, 2004 07:41AM

#463 in helper service?

John Frank March 29, 2004 07:35PM

ALWAYS?

Douglas vV March 29, 2004 08:33PM

Re: use of motive power.

Earl March 29, 2004 10:03PM

Re: use of motive power.

Tom Stewart March 29, 2004 10:34PM

Re: use of motive power.

Brian Jansky March 30, 2004 06:40AM

Re: use of motive power.

Mike Stillwell March 30, 2004 07:20AM

Re: use of motive power.

Fred Garvin M. P. March 30, 2004 07:34AM

Re: use of motive power.

John Frank March 30, 2004 09:52AM

Vodoo Economics

John Frank March 30, 2004 12:13PM

Re: Vodoo Economics

Brian Jansky March 30, 2004 02:51PM

Hoodoo Economics

WP&Ymike March 30, 2004 05:26PM

Profit vs. Emotional Economics

George Gaskill April 01, 2004 04:34PM

Re: Profit vs. Emotional Economics

John Frank April 02, 2004 03:04PM

reality - economics vs history

Douglas vV April 01, 2004 05:30PM

Re: reality - economics vs history

John Frank April 02, 2004 03:02PM

Re: reality - economics vs history

Ted Miles April 03, 2004 09:12PM

#476

Mike Trent April 01, 2004 06:52PM

Re: #476

Steve Stockham April 01, 2004 08:27PM

Marginally Smaller" Econ 101

Mike Trent April 01, 2004 09:11PM

who own's 463?

Douglas vV April 01, 2004 10:03PM

Re: who own's 463?

Steve Stockham April 02, 2004 06:20AM

Re: who own's 463?

Nephrite April 02, 2004 06:58AM

463? I don't think so...

Kevin Cook April 02, 2004 09:02AM

Re: 463? I don't think so...

Doug Jones April 02, 2004 02:28PM

I agree

Kevin Cook April 02, 2004 02:37PM

Re: 463? I don't think so...

Kevin Bush April 04, 2004 10:13PM

Re: 463? I don't think so...

Steve Stockham April 05, 2004 07:12PM

Rebuild or Build from Ground Up

Ken April 05, 2004 07:42PM

Milling rods

Erik Ledbetter April 06, 2004 06:13AM

Re: Milling rods

Kevin Bush April 06, 2004 09:30AM

Re: Milling rods

Fred T April 06, 2004 12:01PM

Another fly in the ointment

Don Richter April 02, 2004 08:10AM

Re: Marginally Smaller" Econ 101

Andy Roth April 02, 2004 07:49AM

Re: Marginally Smaller" Econ 101

Mike Trent April 02, 2004 04:24PM

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Rex Sherwood April 02, 2004 08:49AM

Re: #476

Tim Schreiner April 02, 2004 09:07AM

Re: #476

Steve Stockham April 02, 2004 09:33AM

Hey Steve

Kevin Cook April 02, 2004 01:30PM

Re: #476

Edgar G. Lowrance April 05, 2004 07:01PM

Re: #476

Douglas vV April 05, 2004 10:36PM

Re: #476

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 10:26AM

Re: #476 *LINK* *PIC*

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 10:40AM

track to Antonito

Douglas vV April 06, 2004 02:06PM

Re: #476

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 10:49AM

Re: #476

Mike Stillwell April 06, 2004 11:24AM

Re: #476

Craig Kumler April 06, 2004 12:44PM

Re: #476

Clovis Bumpkin April 06, 2004 04:25PM

463 - they can't sell it

Kevin Cook April 06, 2004 05:45PM

Re: #476

John Sporseen April 06, 2004 12:22PM

Re: #476

Ted Miles April 06, 2004 12:49PM

Re: #476?

WP&Ymike April 06, 2004 12:52PM

Usless appendage?

Douglas vV April 06, 2004 01:57PM

Re: Usless appendage?

South Park April 06, 2004 11:59PM

Re: Usless appendage?

Steve Stockham April 07, 2004 09:48PM



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