Yep, and the "water" you were usin' was startin to stink up the place
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I have some thought on gentlemn's clubs too, but I'm not going to start another fight over it. In deference to Mak and Don, all I'm going to say is that one man's "solution" to a problem quite often becomes the source of many more problems for others.
The entire original purpose of the Goat was to take this kind of pressure off of this board. Its currently incarnation is unwilling to fulfill that function, so:
For those who want to try to hash out a solution without worry of censure or deletion try Frads
If you just have to gripe about what so and so said, or need to vent, try Frads.
For those who want a bit of humor mixed in with their hobby, try Frads.
If you want to gripe about the daily news, or argue polyticks, try Frads.
If you still have unanswered questions about the NCNG, or SVRR, try asking them at Frad's
you'll never need a tie, but you might want to bring your own glass