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PLEASE Try to Be Considerate

June 20, 2005 08:26AM
Over the weekend we received an e-mail about this thread which forced me to consider whether to kill it outright, try to moderate it somewhat, or just let it go. Usually when someone asks that a thread be killed, they've got a very good point, however in this case I'm not so sure. Some very pertinent issues have been brought to the surface.
First, GT's collection. As Jason mentions, collectors are "leasing" their material from the past and preserviing them for the future. I think that this is an excellent point. When people buy things they generally don't do so with the intention of simply destroying them (firecrackers excluded). But when someone aquires an artifact, there is (or should be) a sense that they are not just obtaining it for thier own personal enjoyment - the connection that artifact gives them to the past - but are taking on the responsibility of ensuring that the item survives. Failure to acknowledge this responsibility gives the impression that they are simply more interested in denying the material to others than in the historical significance it represents. That seems to be the case here. GT is destroying more than his collection, and while it is indeed his material and he has a right to do with it as he pleases, he is destroying his reputation as a historian as well.
But there is another important point here, the sometimes overly zealous enthusiasm of the railfan community. GT's material was used without acknowledgement, others have been treated as if they were a public library with people, more or less demanding free and open access. Famlies have been nagged about what to do with their husband's collection before the flowers had even wilted at the gravesite. Granted this last example could be in the name of ensuring the collection continues to be well cared for, but none of this is particularly appropriate behavior.
I guess my only defense for allowing the thread to go on (aside from my being in Chama this past weekend) is that both camps are guilty here. Some railfans seemingly treated GT as a lending library, with little respect for his rights, while he was overly sensative to that treatment. In the end everyone loses in that irreplacable material is lost. But to some extent we are all guilty here, whether it be by linking to copyrighted material on the NGDF without asigning credit, or destroying material that was supposedly in good hands, seemingly out of spite. We all need to try to think about being more considerate, whether it be on this board or in the persuit of our hobby.
This is an ugly situation, but hopefully those who are angry about how they've been treated will recognize the unwritten responsibility they've taken on in amassing their respective collections while those who would like access would recognize the fact that it is granted out of the kindness and perhaps at the inconvenience of the owner.
Don
Subject Author Posted

confetti letter??

Craig LeVay June 10, 2005 07:45PM

Re: confetti letter??

Frank Martindell June 11, 2005 09:06AM

Re: confetti letter??

Craig LeVay June 14, 2005 12:04PM

Re: confetti letter??

Mike Stillwell June 14, 2005 12:11PM

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Don Richter June 14, 2005 12:13PM

Re: confetti letter??

Don Richter June 14, 2005 12:18PM

Re: confetti letter??

Rick Renz June 14, 2005 01:25PM

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Craig LeVay June 14, 2005 01:27PM

Re: confetti letter?? (very long winded) *LINK* *PIC*

Gavin Hamilton June 14, 2005 02:55PM

Re: confetti letter?? (very long winded)

Steve Singer June 14, 2005 05:02PM

Re: confetti letter?? (very long winded)

Craig LeVay June 15, 2005 07:35PM

Re: confetti letter?? (very long winded) *LINK*

Gavin Hamilton June 16, 2005 06:22AM

Re: confetti letter?? (very long winded)

Craig LeVay June 17, 2005 01:02PM

Re: confetti letter?? (very long winded) *LINK*

greg scholl June 16, 2005 06:55AM

Re: confetti letter??

eric bracher June 14, 2005 01:42PM

WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Jason Midyette June 14, 2005 03:48PM

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Steve Stockham June 14, 2005 04:03PM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

eric bracher June 14, 2005 04:55PM

Re: Why say his Name??

Kevin K. June 15, 2005 02:34AM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Rick McKinnie June 14, 2005 05:00PM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Craig LeVay June 15, 2005 07:18AM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Don Richter June 15, 2005 08:04AM

maybe other problems!

RBrinton June 15, 2005 08:29AM

Re: maybe other problems!

Jerry June 15, 2005 08:49AM

Re: maybe other problems!

Mik June 15, 2005 06:24PM

Re: maybe other problems!

Skonk June 15, 2005 06:53PM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Mike Paladino June 17, 2005 01:40PM

Re: What the...?

Curtis F June 17, 2005 07:31PM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Jason Midyette June 17, 2005 08:11PM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Gavin Hamilton June 18, 2005 05:22AM

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Steve Stockham June 18, 2005 11:06AM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Gavin Hamilton June 19, 2005 10:21AM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Joe P June 19, 2005 09:56PM

Re: WHAT A STUPID LOSER!!!

Trevor Hartford June 20, 2005 08:40PM

Re: confetti letter?? *LINK*

Cameron Wallace June 14, 2005 04:14PM

And the house...

Michael Lumert June 15, 2005 08:12AM

Please Try to Be Considerate

Mike Trent June 18, 2005 03:16PM

Be Nice & Money

roger hogan June 18, 2005 05:55PM

Right ON!! ... Roger

WP&Ymike June 19, 2005 07:24PM

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Steve Stockham June 19, 2005 09:21PM

Re: Right ON!! ... Roger

WP&Ymike June 19, 2005 10:41PM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Al Patterson June 18, 2005 08:15PM

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Steve Stockham June 18, 2005 09:07PM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Mike Trent June 19, 2005 11:13AM

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Dr. Froid June 19, 2005 11:41AM

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Jason Midyette June 19, 2005 07:55PM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Gavin Hamilton June 20, 2005 07:41AM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Philip Walters June 20, 2005 08:07AM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Jerry Day June 20, 2005 07:40AM

Well said, Jerry!

Ed Stabler June 20, 2005 07:48AM

PLEASE Try to Be Considerate

Don Richter June 20, 2005 08:26AM

Re: PLEASE Try to Be Considerate

rick b June 20, 2005 10:18AM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

rick b June 20, 2005 10:13AM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Jerry Day June 20, 2005 10:36AM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

Craig LeVay June 20, 2005 01:09PM

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Steve Singer June 20, 2005 01:38PM

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Lon Wall June 20, 2005 03:20PM

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PRSL June 20, 2005 10:34PM

Re: Please Try to Be Considerate

rick b June 21, 2005 01:50AM

Re: Craig LeVay--explain your post please

PRSL June 21, 2005 09:29PM

Re: Craig LeVay--explain your post please

Dusty Burman June 21, 2005 10:18PM

Re: Craig LeVay--explain your post please

Craig LeVay June 22, 2005 06:52AM

Re: confetti letter-11days-BIG RUSE!!

PRSL June 21, 2005 04:55PM

Ha Ha--not at all funny!!!!!!!!!!

William Reed June 21, 2005 05:29PM

Re: confetti letter-11days-BIG RUSE!!

Herb Kelsey June 21, 2005 05:31PM

Re: confetti letter-11days-BIG RUSE!!

Jason Midyette June 21, 2005 05:36PM

Re: Time to reread the guidelines

Philip Walters June 21, 2005 06:32PM

Re: confetti letter-11days-BIG RUSE!!

PRSL June 21, 2005 07:36PM

Gawd Damm IT

Don Richter June 22, 2005 10:10AM

Re: Gawd Damm IT

James J. Genat June 25, 2005 06:34AM

Re: confetti letter-11days-BIG RUSE!!

Mike Trent June 21, 2005 07:45PM

Re:Absolutely Amazing!! *NM*

J.B.Bane June 21, 2005 09:23PM

Indeed.

Mike Trent June 22, 2005 07:17PM

Re: confetti letter-credibility destroyed

WP&Ymike June 22, 2005 12:07AM

Re: confetti letter-credibility destroyed

Craig LeVay June 22, 2005 07:03AM

No Ruse

Mike Paladino June 22, 2005 03:16PM

Completely confused....

Rodger Polley June 22, 2005 07:54PM



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