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January 29, 2004 08:03AM
I appreciate John's comments regarding the efforts of Scenic Railways and Kyle Railways. While I was not associated with the railroad during the "Scenic" years other than as a fare paying passenger and a member of the NGRRA (Narrow Gauge Railroad Association) I was CMO from October of 1989 through May of 1996 during the "Kyle" years.
Clearly the work involved in creating the C&TS was no easy task. Remember there were no passenger cars, there were no terminal facilities in Antonito, and Chama was a "helper station with only a 2 stall dirt floor round house and no machinery. In addition there was no lunch facility at Osier, and last but not least there was no passenger base. Lets not forget there were also no employees.
When I arrived in Chama in 1989 there was a 4 stall engine house/car shop, a large depot, a water tank, and balloon loop at Antonito. There was a new large clean eating house at Osier. There was a new water tank at Los Pinos. There was a 2 stall concrete floor engine house with drop pit and a concrete floor machine shop with machinery at Chama. The "box car coaches" that "Scenic" had made first had largely been supplanted with two new train sets that looked like passenger cars and there were 3 functioning steam locomotives. Additionally there was a functioning business, a passenger base, some name recognition and a cadre of skilled dedicated employees. CLEARLY WE STOOD ON THE BACKS OF GIANTS.
During the time I was Chief Mechanical Officer we rebuilt all three running engines 484,487, and 489 including new flues, partial new flue sheets, re-contoured tires, new spring rigging, new driver axles, re-bored valve cages and cylinders, new piston rings and valve rings. We also finished and put into service a rebuild of the 488 including a new tender tank. We repaired the broken engine in GE diesel locomotive 19 and put that locomotive back in service. We traded the 482 (unservicable) to the D&S for the 497 and then rebuilt it including valve & cylinder boring, driver turning, and new flue sheet and flues. We rebuilt the Rotary snowplow and we leased an additional diesel locomotive so that both Chama and Antonito could have reserve switching/work train/rescue power. With a $550,000 federal grant which the Commision got we completely rebuilt the 463 (which had not seen service since 1954) running gear, boiler, cab, and tender, and we built 3 new passenger coaches. At the end of 1996 the C&TS had 6 servicable steam locomotives, 2 servicable diesel locomotives, and a functional rotary snowplow. It was ready to run a train a day out of each terminal and could triple head the trains out of Chama when ever necessary.
It became clear during the time I was there that it was not possible for roughly 10 men working only with hand tools to maintain 64 miles of mountain railroad. Working with the Commision purchased a tamper and began laying the ground work to get $10,000,000 worth of grants etc we felt would be necessary to bring the track and right of way into the condition we wanted to achieve.
During all this time ridership grew at a slow but steady rate.
To state that equipment maintenance was ignored for 30 years is an absolute falsehood and an insult to the many fine men who have worked for this railroad over the past 30 years.
To state that track maintenance was ignored indicates a lack of understanding of what it takes to keep a mountain railroad open.
The real underlying problems lie in a lack of support from the states over the years. During the time I was there New Mexico did not know or believe that they could support the railroad at a higher level than that appropriated by Colorado. New Mexico consistently approved the Commisions
budget requests but was limited by Colorado who provided only meager support. Since the passage of the "Tabor amendment" in Colorado the support which that state provides is even more embarrasingly paltry.
The Colorado Legislature treats the Cumbres & Toltec and Conejos County Like a "Slum Lord" they wont support it, fund it or sell it.
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C&TS on front page of Denver Post *NM* *LINK*

Glen Brewer January 27, 2004 06:49AM

Re: C&TS on front page of Denver Post

Rich Muth January 27, 2004 07:12AM

Re: C&TS on front page of Denver Post

Les Clark January 27, 2004 08:55AM

Several comments about this great article

Brian Shoup January 27, 2004 02:22PM

Thanks Mr. Shoup

roger hogan January 27, 2004 02:56PM

Re: Several comments about this great article

Dale Brown January 27, 2004 08:59PM

Yo, Padre!

Crayuft January 28, 2004 05:57AM

I take strong exception to your comments.

El Coke January 28, 2004 02:10PM

Yes, but.....

John West January 28, 2004 03:17PM

Re: Yes, but.....what don't you understand?

Chris Callaway January 28, 2004 08:57PM

Maintenance

John Bush January 29, 2004 08:03AM

The usual photographic evidence... *LINK* *PIC*

John West January 29, 2004 01:18PM

Re: thanks, but . . . *PIC*

Crayuft January 29, 2004 03:41PM

Part of the quote was...

El Coke January 31, 2004 08:04PM

not exactly

John Craft February 01, 2004 01:06PM

The other offensive statement...but...

El RC February 01, 2004 09:19PM

I also say "not exactly"

El Coke February 01, 2004 10:49PM

Re: I also say "not exactly"

John Craft February 02, 2004 05:25AM

Back channel me , then .

El Coke February 02, 2004 06:04PM

Re: Back channel me , then .

Les Clark February 03, 2004 01:01PM

Your answer is back channeled

El Coke February 03, 2004 02:24PM

Re: The usual photographic evidence...

Earl January 31, 2004 05:20PM

Re: Maintenance

chris ahrens January 30, 2004 04:03PM

Re: Maintenance

John Bush January 31, 2004 06:49AM

A hole in the water

Don Richter January 31, 2004 08:11AM

Re: Maintenance

chris ahrens January 31, 2004 09:01AM

Bid Proposals by the WP &Y

Robby Peartree January 31, 2004 09:17PM

Re: Bid Proposals by the WP &Y

John Bush February 01, 2004 09:01AM

Re: Bid Proposals by the WP &Y

John Cole February 01, 2004 11:55AM

Re: Maintenance

Dick Cowles February 03, 2004 04:58PM

Re: Maintenance

Linn W. Moedinger February 04, 2004 05:45AM

Not a way to get rich

Claude Wiatrowski February 05, 2004 09:09AM

Re: Not a way to get rich

WP&Ymike February 05, 2004 03:13PM

How to make a million dollars

RBrinton February 05, 2004 04:00PM

Re: How to make a million dollars

El Skonk February 05, 2004 05:38PM

Re: How to make a million dollars

Hoss - The Wideload February 05, 2004 08:39PM

Re: How to make a million dollars

WP&Ymike February 06, 2004 04:52AM

Really, millions wIth Steam Railroad

steve thompson February 06, 2004 08:00AM

Re: Really, millions wIth Steam Railroad

Steve Singer February 06, 2004 08:09AM

Ask and you might receive

Robby Peartree February 05, 2004 10:20AM

Here's the Correct Link: *LINK*

Mike Trent January 30, 2004 09:04PM



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