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Re: And (most of) the answer is ...

December 30, 2009 10:13AM avatar
Hello again, youse guys -

Looking again at THE (Color) Book*, it is clear that the train with the flanger ahead
of the spreader and snow on the tops of the tank cars was the March 14, 1963 train,
and the one with the spreader ahead of the flanger and no snow on the tank cars was
the March 22 train. Assuming that usual practices were followed on the 22nd, the train
pictured would have set out its eight tank cars at Cumbres, and the second train that is
described in Earl's notes (probably ten tank cars) would have added the first eight and
taken them to Alamosa. So now the only remaining question is which of the two engines
on the second train of March 22nd was the road engine and which one was the helper?
(I.E. which engine - #484 or #497 - pulled the train of (18?) tank cars from Cumbres to
the refinery in Alamosa?)

OR was the second train on March 22 a "Cumbres Turn", leaving its ten cars along with the first eight at the top of the pass, all of which would have been added to another train the following day, and all (presumably 28, or 38 if there was yet another "Cumbres Turn") cars hauled to Alamosa on the 23rd?

- Russo

* THE (Color) Book = "Narrow Gauge ... then and now" by Gildersleeve & Huxtable
  THE (B&W) Book = "Rio Grande Narrow Gauge - The Final Years, Alamosa to Chama" by Hereford & Robart
Combined with Earl's vast knowledge and copious notes, these make it possible to figure out most of our questions about events on the narrow gauge from the early sixties to the end of D&RGW operations over Cumbres.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2009 10:14AM by Russo Loco.
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480 and a Gramps train Attachments

Rich Muth December 21, 2009 03:52PM

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John West December 21, 2009 04:22PM

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Rich Muth December 21, 2009 04:27PM

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BrianJ December 21, 2009 06:45PM

Some additonal info about this operation

John West December 21, 2009 07:28PM

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Jerry Day December 21, 2009 07:36PM

Re: Some additonal info about this operation

Greg Scholl December 22, 2009 09:37AM

Re: Additonal info re "Narrow Gauge ... Then & Now" Attachments

Russo Loco December 22, 2009 10:45AM

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John Cole December 22, 2009 12:04PM

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Jimmy Blouch December 24, 2009 01:23PM

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Rich Muth December 24, 2009 02:00PM

Thanks guys!

John Cole December 24, 2009 03:56PM

Re: Thanks guys!

Jimmy Blouch December 24, 2009 04:10PM

Re: Thanks guys!

Greg Scholl December 26, 2009 06:59AM

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Jimmy Blouch December 27, 2009 11:30AM

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CharlieMcCandless December 27, 2009 08:35PM

Speed Limit Sign

Rich Muth December 28, 2009 07:01AM

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Earl December 29, 2009 09:10PM

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Greg Scholl December 30, 2009 07:42AM

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Greg Scholl December 22, 2009 12:12PM

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Russo Loco December 23, 2009 11:23AM

Three-rail operations of the DRGW

John West December 23, 2009 11:33AM

Re: Some additonal info about this operation

Jerry Day December 22, 2009 11:33AM

Re: Some additonal info about this operation

Russo Loco October 28, 2013 09:29PM

Two differnt trains???

Kevin Cook December 23, 2009 12:30PM

Re: Two different trains???

Russo Loco December 23, 2009 01:16PM

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Jerry Day December 23, 2009 04:47PM

Re: Two differnt trains???

Russo Loco October 28, 2013 09:31PM

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Mike Trent December 23, 2009 06:43PM

Extra caboose

John West December 23, 2009 07:23PM

Re: Extra caboose

Jerry Day December 23, 2009 07:28PM

OK - You get the Award

Kevin Cook December 24, 2009 01:05AM

Re: Two different trains? ... and two awards!

Russo Loco December 24, 2009 02:29AM

Re: Two different trains? ... and the award!

Mike Trent December 24, 2009 03:55PM

Re: Two differnt trains???

drgwk37 October 31, 2013 08:29AM

Re: 480 and a Gramps train

Earl December 24, 2009 12:19AM

The answer may be.....

John West December 27, 2009 09:05PM

Re: The answer may be ... but which is which?

Russo Loco December 28, 2009 02:53PM

Tom's notes

John West December 28, 2009 03:30PM

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Russo Loco December 28, 2009 03:37PM

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Earl December 29, 2009 09:40PM

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Russo Loco December 30, 2009 10:13AM

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CharlieMcCandless December 30, 2009 11:26AM

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Russo Loco December 30, 2009 11:37AM

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Jerry Day December 30, 2009 05:00PM

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Russo Loco December 31, 2009 12:07AM

Re: And (most of) the answer is ...

Jerry Day December 31, 2009 09:47AM

Re: The answer may be.....

Jimmy Blouch December 31, 2009 10:46AM

Re: The answer may be.....

Russo Loco January 01, 2010 07:36PM

Thanks Jimmy....

John West January 01, 2010 11:01PM



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