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Some West rambles

September 22, 2005 12:42AM
I find a lot of the above discussion troubling. The C&TS is once again in deep financial trouble. For any of the discussion here to make any sense we need to get some "priorities" in order.
First off, the C&TS needs to be a reasonably self-supporting tourist railroad for any kind of "museum" operation to exist. Public "pork barrel" money does not go to supporting museums, it goes to providing job opportunities, directly and indirectly. Things like "museum" and "historic preservation" are cosmetic issues that provide intellectual cover for jobs money (read buying votes).
The C&TS used to be "reasonably self-supporting" back in the days of Kyle. The issue then was only "capital" money. Capital funding is a lot easier to do politically that annual operating subsidies....mainly because you don't have to do it every year...maybe. The current regime needs to thoroughly understand what has changed over the past six years or so. If the railroad persistently can't cover its operating costs, we're in deep granola.
The color of the coaches is small potatoes in terms of marketing. It is just a small part of providing the customer with a more postive experience. There are lots of other dimensions to that discussion, all of which are highly judgemental....so the debate could be endless, except for the folks actually making decisions. If safety is the issue, it is still small potatoes....there are lots of ways to protect grade crossings. The point is simply that whatever is causing ridership to not meet expectations goes way beyond the color of the coaches. Let's not spend too much time debating the trivial.
I have no idea what is wrong on the marketing side, just that it is a whole lot bigger issue than the color of the coaches.
Selling the railroad to a private operator is unlikely to be any panacea.....simply because any potential for profit is pretty risky at this point, and is unlikely to justify the unfront investment that a private operator would be required to invest. Sure, you could give it a try, but at what cost if it doesn't work. At this point I would be inclined to be risk adverse....the risk is high of loosing the farm.
Finding a better operator than RGRPC might make sense, but again there needs to be some real expectation of profit.....which seems unlikely given the current situation.
I remain enthralled by the concept of some kind of public-private partnership. Clearly private enterprise is more likely to provide the kind of marketing that the C&TS needs. But even with good marketing it is unlikely the railroad will ever be sufficiently profitable to be a Silverton kind of operation financially. In my mind some form of public or at least non-profit ownership provides a basis for seeking continued public and private funding...funding that would hardly make sense if it went to some kind of profit making concern.
It's late, I'm tired, time to quit. Maybe some of the above makes sense, maybe not.
Perhaps the most hopefully aspect of the whole discussion is a lot of folks really care about the C&TS.
JBW
Subject Author Posted

C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05 *LINK*

roger hogan September 19, 2005 06:14PM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

Jerry Day September 19, 2005 06:28PM

One Has NOTHING to do with the other

Rich Muth September 19, 2005 07:04PM

Re: One Has NOTHING to do with the other

Jerry Day September 19, 2005 07:16PM

Are you smoking strange stuff??

roger hogan September 19, 2005 07:29PM

Re: One Has NOTHING to do with the other

John Cole September 19, 2005 07:50PM

Re: One Has NOTHING to do with the other

Jerry Day September 20, 2005 08:20AM

Just Maybe...

Kevin K. September 20, 2005 10:23AM

Re: Just Maybe...

Jerry Day September 20, 2005 10:41AM

Re: Just Maybe...

Steve Singer September 20, 2005 11:44AM

Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Herb Kelsey September 20, 2005 05:04PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 08:18AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Don Richter September 21, 2005 08:29AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 08:49AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Don Richter September 21, 2005 11:04AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Fisher September 21, 2005 12:30PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 12:44PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

"RAWHIDE" September 21, 2005 01:33PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 01:44PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Kyler September 21, 2005 01:45PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 03:43PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Craig Kumler September 21, 2005 05:53PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 06:59PM

Little to lose, maybe much to gain, from History

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 08:09PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Kyler September 21, 2005 01:26PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 01:36PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Kyler September 21, 2005 01:50PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Steve Stockham September 21, 2005 02:30PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

rick b September 22, 2005 12:18PM

Grande Gold

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 03:49PM

Re: Grande Gold

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 04:48PM

Train of many colors

Bryan Laue September 21, 2005 11:09PM

Forcasting

Dick Seelye September 19, 2005 07:52PM

Forcasting

roger hogan September 19, 2005 08:40PM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

John Frank September 19, 2005 07:56PM

Ridership

roger hogan September 19, 2005 08:24PM

Re: Ridership

RichB September 19, 2005 08:34PM

Re: Ridership

John Frank September 19, 2005 08:42PM

Ridership

roger hogan September 19, 2005 09:01PM

Re: Ridership

Chile John September 19, 2005 09:42PM

Good idea

roger hogan September 19, 2005 09:47PM

Re: Ridership

frank martindell September 20, 2005 11:06AM

numbers

Bill Kepner September 20, 2005 07:55AM

Re: numbers

Craig LeVay September 20, 2005 08:27AM

Re: numbers

Craig Kumler September 20, 2005 11:19AM

Re: numbers

frank martindell September 20, 2005 11:08AM

saving on gas

John Cole September 20, 2005 12:45PM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05 *LINK*

Linn W. Moedinger September 20, 2005 06:21AM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

Tom Stewart September 20, 2005 10:56AM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

Don Richter September 20, 2005 11:15AM

Statistics and forecasting

John West September 20, 2005 11:25AM

Re: Statistics and forecasting

Chile John September 20, 2005 11:40AM

Expect from the Railroad????

roger hogan September 20, 2005 12:06PM

Re: 35 years of history *LINK*

Rod Jensen September 20, 2005 12:30PM

Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

John West September 20, 2005 12:56PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Yosemite Sam September 20, 2005 01:35PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Don Richter September 20, 2005 02:25PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

RichB September 20, 2005 03:33PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

John Cole September 20, 2005 04:15PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Chama-Antonito business hours September 21, 2005 02:11PM

Chama-Antonito business hours

Mark Valerius September 21, 2005 02:23PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Paul Gibbs September 20, 2005 04:24PM

Re: advertising

Cal Smith September 20, 2005 09:21PM

Sumpter Valley... a success model?

RG September 21, 2005 02:06PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... a success model?

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 03:53PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... a success model?

Jerry September 21, 2005 07:36PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... a success model?

J.B.Bane September 22, 2005 09:20AM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 06:57PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

dan September 23, 2005 09:00PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

Jerry September 23, 2005 09:59PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

RBrinton September 24, 2005 08:11AM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

J.B.Bane September 24, 2005 09:25AM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

dan September 24, 2005 10:50AM

The right way, wrong way & what you have to

roger hogan September 20, 2005 04:03PM

Re: The right way, wrong way & what you have to

Steve Stockham September 20, 2005 05:42PM

Village vs C&TSRR (Politiciains)

roger hogan September 20, 2005 08:42PM

Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Herb Kelsey September 21, 2005 01:47PM

Some West rambles

John West September 22, 2005 12:42AM

Not Crap

dan September 22, 2005 02:56PM

Re: Not Crap

John West September 22, 2005 03:25PM

politics

dan September 22, 2005 05:31PM

Re: NPS - NOT Crap

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 07:16PM

Re: NPS - NOT Crap

John West September 23, 2005 09:14PM

Re: NPS - NOT Crap

Chile John September 24, 2005 08:05AM

Re: Not Crap

Mik September 22, 2005 03:26PM

Re: Not Crap

Steve Singer September 22, 2005 04:05PM

Re: Not Crap

John Cole September 22, 2005 05:05PM

The flip side

John West September 22, 2005 05:10PM

Re: Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Hobosteve September 23, 2005 04:26AM

A sole "glimpse of the past"?

Charles September 23, 2005 10:35AM

Re: A sole "glimpse of the past"?

Jerry Day September 23, 2005 12:15PM

Re: D&S also a "glimpse of the past"

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 07:34PM

Re: Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Herb Kelsey September 26, 2005 11:16PM

Historical Interest on the D&S?

Herb Kelsey September 26, 2005 11:21PM

Re: Historical Interest on the D&S?

Philip Walters September 27, 2005 08:03AM

Re: Historical Interest on the D&S?

John Cole September 27, 2005 01:39PM

Re: Historical Interest on the D&S?

Fritz Klinke September 27, 2005 06:13PM

How I like to ride both CATS & D&S

Philip Walters September 28, 2005 08:33AM

HISTORY on D&S helps C&TS, and Vice Versa

Russ Sperry September 27, 2005 11:40PM

Thanks Russ for suprise!

Philip Walters September 29, 2005 06:52PM

Re: Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Bob Jennings September 23, 2005 05:24AM

Trying Isn't Enough

Herb Kelsey September 26, 2005 11:35PM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough

Rod Jensen September 26, 2005 11:56PM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough

Curt Bianchi September 27, 2005 08:29AM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough *LINK*

Rod Jensen September 27, 2005 11:01AM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough

Curt Bianchi September 27, 2005 11:53AM



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