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Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

September 20, 2005 12:56PM
The ridership numbers for this year came as a shock. Something is obviously terribly wrong. And like most marketing things, we can speculate until the cows come home and most likely know little more than before we started. But what the heck, my speculation is as good as anybody's.
1. I wonder if Chama is pricing themselves out of the market. Did people used to linger in Chama because it was cheaper than Durango, Santa Fe or Taos? Did folks come from Albuquerque and Denver because it was a cheap weekend outing? In the old days we only worried about gas prices. But now it's the combined impact of higher gas, motel prices, and train tickets.
2. Perhaps the long running problems facing the railroad and the newscoverage are having a cummulative effect on the collective perception of Chama as a fun place to go, especially among the day/weekend trippers from Denver to Albuquerque. The correlary is success begets success.
3. Less than daily service might be having a bigger impact that simply the reduction in seats. Now you have to plan, and impulse trips are more difficult...whether you're just driving by on vacation, or deciding on a last minute outing.
4. Marketing plan. This one scares me because it can suck up a lot of dollars that are also needed to fix track and equipment. Black Bart proved you can't survive on marketing alone. But Black Bart was a good marketer....got record ridership if you can believe his numbers. I think the appropriate cliche here is a poor plan vigorously pursued is better than a good plan poorly pursued. My guess is the need is not so much for a grand plan as a talented individual who lives and breathes marketing and can make things happen. But those folks do tend to be in short supply, especially in any organization that is owned by the government. Where is Black Bart when we need him.
Just when I thought things were getting better.
Damn.
JBW
Subject Author Posted

C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05 *LINK*

roger hogan September 19, 2005 06:14PM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

Jerry Day September 19, 2005 06:28PM

One Has NOTHING to do with the other

Rich Muth September 19, 2005 07:04PM

Re: One Has NOTHING to do with the other

Jerry Day September 19, 2005 07:16PM

Are you smoking strange stuff??

roger hogan September 19, 2005 07:29PM

Re: One Has NOTHING to do with the other

John Cole September 19, 2005 07:50PM

Re: One Has NOTHING to do with the other

Jerry Day September 20, 2005 08:20AM

Just Maybe...

Kevin K. September 20, 2005 10:23AM

Re: Just Maybe...

Jerry Day September 20, 2005 10:41AM

Re: Just Maybe...

Steve Singer September 20, 2005 11:44AM

Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Herb Kelsey September 20, 2005 05:04PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 08:18AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Don Richter September 21, 2005 08:29AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 08:49AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Don Richter September 21, 2005 11:04AM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Fisher September 21, 2005 12:30PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 12:44PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

"RAWHIDE" September 21, 2005 01:33PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 01:44PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Kyler September 21, 2005 01:45PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 03:43PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Craig Kumler September 21, 2005 05:53PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 06:59PM

Little to lose, maybe much to gain, from History

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 08:09PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Kyler September 21, 2005 01:26PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 01:36PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

John Kyler September 21, 2005 01:50PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

Steve Stockham September 21, 2005 02:30PM

Re: Jerry Is Absolutely Right

rick b September 22, 2005 12:18PM

Grande Gold

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 03:49PM

Re: Grande Gold

Jerry Day September 21, 2005 04:48PM

Train of many colors

Bryan Laue September 21, 2005 11:09PM

Forcasting

Dick Seelye September 19, 2005 07:52PM

Forcasting

roger hogan September 19, 2005 08:40PM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

John Frank September 19, 2005 07:56PM

Ridership

roger hogan September 19, 2005 08:24PM

Re: Ridership

RichB September 19, 2005 08:34PM

Re: Ridership

John Frank September 19, 2005 08:42PM

Ridership

roger hogan September 19, 2005 09:01PM

Re: Ridership

Chile John September 19, 2005 09:42PM

Good idea

roger hogan September 19, 2005 09:47PM

Re: Ridership

frank martindell September 20, 2005 11:06AM

numbers

Bill Kepner September 20, 2005 07:55AM

Re: numbers

Craig LeVay September 20, 2005 08:27AM

Re: numbers

Craig Kumler September 20, 2005 11:19AM

Re: numbers

frank martindell September 20, 2005 11:08AM

saving on gas

John Cole September 20, 2005 12:45PM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05 *LINK*

Linn W. Moedinger September 20, 2005 06:21AM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

Tom Stewart September 20, 2005 10:56AM

Re: C&TSRR Commission Meeting 9-19-05

Don Richter September 20, 2005 11:15AM

Statistics and forecasting

John West September 20, 2005 11:25AM

Re: Statistics and forecasting

Chile John September 20, 2005 11:40AM

Expect from the Railroad????

roger hogan September 20, 2005 12:06PM

Re: 35 years of history *LINK*

Rod Jensen September 20, 2005 12:30PM

Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

John West September 20, 2005 12:56PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Yosemite Sam September 20, 2005 01:35PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Don Richter September 20, 2005 02:25PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

RichB September 20, 2005 03:33PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

John Cole September 20, 2005 04:15PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Chama-Antonito business hours September 21, 2005 02:11PM

Chama-Antonito business hours

Mark Valerius September 21, 2005 02:23PM

Re: Is Chama pricing itself out of the market?

Paul Gibbs September 20, 2005 04:24PM

Re: advertising

Cal Smith September 20, 2005 09:21PM

Sumpter Valley... a success model?

RG September 21, 2005 02:06PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... a success model?

Greg Scholl September 21, 2005 03:53PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... a success model?

Jerry September 21, 2005 07:36PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... a success model?

J.B.Bane September 22, 2005 09:20AM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 06:57PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

dan September 23, 2005 09:00PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

Jerry September 23, 2005 09:59PM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

RBrinton September 24, 2005 08:11AM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

J.B.Bane September 24, 2005 09:25AM

Re: Sumpter Valley... Proximity to I-80

dan September 24, 2005 10:50AM

The right way, wrong way & what you have to

roger hogan September 20, 2005 04:03PM

Re: The right way, wrong way & what you have to

Steve Stockham September 20, 2005 05:42PM

Village vs C&TSRR (Politiciains)

roger hogan September 20, 2005 08:42PM

Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Herb Kelsey September 21, 2005 01:47PM

Some West rambles

John West September 22, 2005 12:42AM

Not Crap

dan September 22, 2005 02:56PM

Re: Not Crap

John West September 22, 2005 03:25PM

politics

dan September 22, 2005 05:31PM

Re: NPS - NOT Crap

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 07:16PM

Re: NPS - NOT Crap

John West September 23, 2005 09:14PM

Re: NPS - NOT Crap

Chile John September 24, 2005 08:05AM

Re: Not Crap

Mik September 22, 2005 03:26PM

Re: Not Crap

Steve Singer September 22, 2005 04:05PM

Re: Not Crap

John Cole September 22, 2005 05:05PM

The flip side

John West September 22, 2005 05:10PM

Re: Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Hobosteve September 23, 2005 04:26AM

A sole "glimpse of the past"?

Charles September 23, 2005 10:35AM

Re: A sole "glimpse of the past"?

Jerry Day September 23, 2005 12:15PM

Re: D&S also a "glimpse of the past"

Russ Sperry September 23, 2005 07:34PM

Re: Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Herb Kelsey September 26, 2005 11:16PM

Historical Interest on the D&S?

Herb Kelsey September 26, 2005 11:21PM

Re: Historical Interest on the D&S?

Philip Walters September 27, 2005 08:03AM

Re: Historical Interest on the D&S?

John Cole September 27, 2005 01:39PM

Re: Historical Interest on the D&S?

Fritz Klinke September 27, 2005 06:13PM

How I like to ride both CATS & D&S

Philip Walters September 28, 2005 08:33AM

HISTORY on D&S helps C&TS, and Vice Versa

Russ Sperry September 27, 2005 11:40PM

Thanks Russ for suprise!

Philip Walters September 29, 2005 06:52PM

Re: Find a Sugar-Daddy or Remain a Poor Orphan

Bob Jennings September 23, 2005 05:24AM

Trying Isn't Enough

Herb Kelsey September 26, 2005 11:35PM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough

Rod Jensen September 26, 2005 11:56PM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough

Curt Bianchi September 27, 2005 08:29AM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough *LINK*

Rod Jensen September 27, 2005 11:01AM

Re: Trying Isn't Enough

Curt Bianchi September 27, 2005 11:53AM



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