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Re: Native Coloradians

Ed Kelley
January 28, 2005 10:08AM
I've been told by quite a few people and read of the conversion of the troubled ball-valve throttle arrangement done in-house at Silverwood. The boiler issue...the current pressure vessel was allegedly built (in Colorado, no less) by John Braun TO code, only it lacks a stamp, or paperwork to support it. The broker, David Barnhardt, has a rather 50/50 reputation 'on the streets' depending on who you talk to. From what I've heard, there's no lies; just not the whole truth, and several other issues. This is a beautiful little locomotive and I sure hope it doesn't get worn down to nothing if it ends up on the Loop.
While the three Shays that operated on the Loop within its 30 year existence; while they were all constructed for use in California (the 8 coming from Oregon around 77/8 if I remember, the 14 to Central City from the Keystone liquidation of the CC&N in 74/75 and to the Loop by '82, and 12 directly from Tuolumne at the WS&CV/Quality Resorts property...and to get picky, only one of those three was constructed new/worked only on the West-Side), they made themselves the keystone of the former Georgetown Loop Railroad, and a sight synonomous with those three words; and the operation which they were. The Shays well earned their worth on the Loop as a BUSINESS, as Karell and others have stated (and this is not to say many volunteer steam operations are anything short of amazing, too; don't take it the wrong way). I often wonder how Railstar and its employees are going to get the money out of this deal with from what I've heard the terms of the RFP proposed. Peter Gores, after what has been talked about here by his colleagues and elsewhere, indeed has impressive references; and in terms of operation, they got themselves covered with experience. But I'm curious as to if the CHS will be paying for maintenance costs of maintenance for the equipment which THEY own (though #12 from what I pick up would be a Railstar acquisition).
An interesting concept is to consider the former Loop a *representation*; not a *recreation* (and it wasn't meant to be, either). This was a real railroad and a business. The Shays handled the line well; and apparently the 40 and 44 (in its day) too. The Loop was a representation of an authentic narrow-gauge railroad. And while Shays never operated on the C&S over the Loop, of course NG Shays (regardless of what class) DID operate to the top of Gray's Peak on the Argentine Central which originated at (no surprise) Silver Plume.
And truly, few people in the general public are going to care about whether its #74 or the 40 running over that high bridge. The majority of the population alive today never saw and knew the C&S-run Loop to even know much otherwise. It is true (while unfortunate); patrons of tourist railroads are more just that; tourists; some railfans, some not. And in business politics, you must do what is best for the betterment of your company and everyone in it. This is just one reason why the GLR Inc. was truly such a class-act, and why their employees had such great loyalty and respect. Shays were economical for the GLR Inc. The CHS proposal would've jeopardized the company's operation. Mark Greksa did what was best for his company and the people in it.
Just some thoughts; not meant to be fact or anything; solely opinion!
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CHS/ Railstar equipment *LINK*

Rod Jensen January 27, 2005 03:22PM

Re: CHS/ Railstar equipment

Mike Trent January 27, 2005 03:59PM

Re: CHS/ Railstar equipment *LINK*

Rod Jensen January 27, 2005 04:33PM

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Jason Midyette January 27, 2005 06:49PM

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Jason Midyette January 28, 2005 10:25PM

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Herb Kelsey January 27, 2005 04:46PM

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Rod Jensen January 27, 2005 05:02PM

Show Time

Chris Callaway January 27, 2005 07:59PM

Re: CHS/ Railstar equipment

Don Richter January 27, 2005 06:02PM

"Open House"?

Robert January 27, 2005 06:34PM

Re: "Open House"? *LINK*

Kerry Ann January 27, 2005 07:54PM

Where's the train? / There's the train

Jack W. January 27, 2005 11:22PM

Re: Where's the train? / There's the train

Greg Scholl January 28, 2005 07:43AM

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Wooly January 28, 2005 09:27AM

Re: Where's the train? / There's the train

Greg Scholl January 28, 2005 10:22AM

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Wooly January 28, 2005 11:27AM

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Jack W. January 28, 2005 12:10PM

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Alan Davis January 28, 2005 02:47PM

Re: Isn't #9 going to Breckenridge?

Jack W. January 28, 2005 03:22PM

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Rod Jensen January 28, 2005 04:05PM

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Kerry Ann January 28, 2005 11:01PM

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Kerry Ann January 28, 2005 11:31PM

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Wooly January 29, 2005 09:32AM

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Rod Jensen January 28, 2005 11:56PM

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Ted Miles January 31, 2005 03:39PM

There in lies the problem...

Karell Reader January 28, 2005 09:37PM

The LOVE Principle

Karell Reader January 29, 2005 07:44AM

"Show Me The Train" *LINK*

Jim Poston January 28, 2005 11:51AM

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Jack W. January 28, 2005 12:30PM

GLR ridership

Stephen Peck January 28, 2005 01:16PM

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Jack W. January 28, 2005 03:40PM

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Stephen Peck January 28, 2005 05:59PM

Re: "Show Me The Train"

Wooly January 28, 2005 05:01PM

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Rod Jensen January 28, 2005 05:23PM

Re: "Open House"?

Wooly January 28, 2005 07:04AM

Re: "Open House"? *LINK*

Kerry Ann January 27, 2005 08:34PM

Re: "Open House"? *PIC*

WilliamDiehl January 28, 2005 07:18AM

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John January 28, 2005 07:52AM

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Karasu January 30, 2005 02:41PM

Sumpter Valley? *PIC*

Christopher D. Coleman January 28, 2005 08:25AM

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Jeff A. January 28, 2005 08:47AM

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J.B.Bane January 28, 2005 09:39AM

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RBrinton January 29, 2005 03:44PM

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Skip Luke February 01, 2005 01:46PM

partners with CHS?

WP&Ymike January 29, 2005 06:39PM

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Ted Miles January 31, 2005 03:27PM

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RBrinton January 31, 2005 03:38PM

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Ted Miles January 31, 2005 03:45PM

Depot

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Fred February 01, 2005 09:24AM

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RBrinton February 01, 2005 09:48AM

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J.B.Bane January 31, 2005 08:40PM

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Tim Bain January 28, 2005 10:09AM

Re: "Open House"?

Mark Valerius January 28, 2005 01:23PM

Fly on the wall

Randy Buchter January 28, 2005 03:53PM

That will be the moment *NM* *NM*

Karell Reader January 28, 2005 07:49PM

Re: CHS/ Railstar equipment

Karasu January 28, 2005 04:02AM

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Rick Steele January 28, 2005 07:43AM

Zen and the CHS

Karell Reader January 28, 2005 08:33AM

Native Coloradians

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Ed Kelley January 28, 2005 10:08AM

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Re: Zen and the CHS

Olaf The Red January 30, 2005 05:35AM

Re: Zen and the CHS

Karell Reader January 30, 2005 08:00AM

#12's Tender

Ed Kelley January 30, 2005 04:27PM

Re: #12's Tender

Karasu January 30, 2005 05:28PM

Re: #12's Tender

Paul Hagglund January 31, 2005 09:35PM

Re: Zen and the CHS

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