Re: Osier Dinner Trains in 1972 . . .
| May 10, 2021 12:57PM |
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Tank Smith Wrote:
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> Interesting, according to the lunar ephemeris for 1972
> (https://moonposition.com/full-moon-calendar/1972),
> the dates of the full moons were Thursday Aug 24,
> Saturday Sept 23, & Sunday Oct 22, but they picked
> Friday Aug 25, Friday Sept 22, andMonday Oct 23
> Saturday, Oct 21. These are probably the dates
> when the train was in Chama and not Antonito
> (one train per day back then).
>
> Also note the lack of a herald on the tender of #483
> in Ernie’s Osier photo.
"Close again, Sailor — but still no cigar . . . "
A Friday and a Saturday are probably better than a Thursday and a Monday for a 10 p.m. (estimated) return to the departure point. IIRC, the actual returns were closer to Midnight, at least in August and September, and the crew had barely eight hours off after the October 21 Great Event before the Toltec Rattler departed early the following morning:
As to the painted-over herald in August, Larry Jenson's excellent Hollywood's Railroads - Volume Three, Narrow Gauge Country shows that the movie 'Showdown' (starring Dean Martin & Rock Hudson) was released in 1973, and notes that "Motion pictures are often filmed a year or so before release", so maybe Hollywood is yet again to blame for #483's faulty make-up. The herald shows clearly in photos of the Toltec Rattler on October 22 (see [ngdiscussion.net], above) and in my fuzzy late-evening photos of the September dinner train:
- El Abuelo Histœrico, Greengo y Curmudgeoño de los Locomoturas Viejos y Verdes,
aka Der Grossväterlich DünkelOlivGrünDampfKesselMantelLiebHabender
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2021 03:24PM by Russo Loco.
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> Interesting, according to the lunar ephemeris for 1972
> (https://moonposition.com/full-moon-calendar/1972),
> the dates of the full moons were Thursday Aug 24,
> Saturday Sept 23, & Sunday Oct 22, but they picked
> Friday Aug 25, Friday Sept 22, and
> Saturday, Oct 21. These are probably the dates
> when the train was in Chama and not Antonito
> (one train per day back then).
>
> Also note the lack of a herald on the tender of #483
> in Ernie’s Osier photo.
"Close again, Sailor — but still no cigar . . . "
A Friday and a Saturday are probably better than a Thursday and a Monday for a 10 p.m. (estimated) return to the departure point. IIRC, the actual returns were closer to Midnight, at least in August and September, and the crew had barely eight hours off after the October 21 Great Event before the Toltec Rattler departed early the following morning:
As to the painted-over herald in August, Larry Jenson's excellent Hollywood's Railroads - Volume Three, Narrow Gauge Country shows that the movie 'Showdown' (starring Dean Martin & Rock Hudson) was released in 1973, and notes that "Motion pictures are often filmed a year or so before release", so maybe Hollywood is yet again to blame for #483's faulty make-up. The herald shows clearly in photos of the Toltec Rattler on October 22 (see [ngdiscussion.net], above) and in my fuzzy late-evening photos of the September dinner train:
- El Abuelo Histœrico, Greengo y Curmudgeoño de los Locomoturas Viejos y Verdes,
aka Der Grossväterlich DünkelOlivGrünDampfKesselMantelLiebHabender
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2021 03:24PM by Russo Loco.
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