Re: A gondola question for drgwcarman - the "Fair Gons" Part III
| July 27, 2014 02:40PM |
The "scant photo evidence" suggesting that C&S 76 / "Deadwood Dick" / "Chief Ouray" are all the same car............
A blow up of a the photo of the "Brigham Young" showing the end of the coach "Chief Ouray". Blurry yes, but notice that the marker light/flag holders on the corner post are inlet into the post and have two different openings to accept two different types of mounts. A quick perusal of the C&S "Narrow Gauge Pictorial VII" shows that all of the C&S passenger cars used this type of marker light mount, if not this exact mount. In contrast, the D&RGW generally uses a cast brass holder, that was bolted onto the corner post and fit only one type of mount.
A May 2000 shot of C&S 76 in Silver Plume. To my eye, the marker light holders are a spot on match to the ones in the photo of "Chief Ouray" above.
A July 1946 shot of D&RGW coach 280 showing the distinctive D&RGW marker light holder. Clearly different than the one seen on the "Chief Ouray". 280 retains these holders to this day.
As a side note, in going through photos I noticed I had some showing coach 280 on a Rocky Mountain Railroad Club trip on September 25, 1949. This is the final nail in the coffin of the idea that 280 was used at the 1949 Chicago Railroad Fair. Not even Harry Potter could repaint 280 Pullman Green and get it from Chicago to Salida in 4 days! Also, coach 284 was on the same trip. As far as I know, these two cars represented the entire roster of open platform narrow gauge coaches on the D&RGW in 1949, thus confirming that C&S 76 played a dual role at the Chicago RR Fair.
Jason Midyette
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2014 02:46PM by Jason Midyette.
A blow up of a the photo of the "Brigham Young" showing the end of the coach "Chief Ouray". Blurry yes, but notice that the marker light/flag holders on the corner post are inlet into the post and have two different openings to accept two different types of mounts. A quick perusal of the C&S "Narrow Gauge Pictorial VII" shows that all of the C&S passenger cars used this type of marker light mount, if not this exact mount. In contrast, the D&RGW generally uses a cast brass holder, that was bolted onto the corner post and fit only one type of mount.
A May 2000 shot of C&S 76 in Silver Plume. To my eye, the marker light holders are a spot on match to the ones in the photo of "Chief Ouray" above.
A July 1946 shot of D&RGW coach 280 showing the distinctive D&RGW marker light holder. Clearly different than the one seen on the "Chief Ouray". 280 retains these holders to this day.
As a side note, in going through photos I noticed I had some showing coach 280 on a Rocky Mountain Railroad Club trip on September 25, 1949. This is the final nail in the coffin of the idea that 280 was used at the 1949 Chicago Railroad Fair. Not even Harry Potter could repaint 280 Pullman Green and get it from Chicago to Salida in 4 days! Also, coach 284 was on the same trip. As far as I know, these two cars represented the entire roster of open platform narrow gauge coaches on the D&RGW in 1949, thus confirming that C&S 76 played a dual role at the Chicago RR Fair.
Jason Midyette
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2014 02:46PM by Jason Midyette.
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