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Re: Scheduling for 100,000

April 16, 2002 12:25PM
Earl and Les got me to thinking about why I always prefer to ride out of Chama and how I promote the C&TS to friends, co-workers and neighbors (some have actually followed my advice, surprise, surprise). My personal preferences for riding the C&TS are as follows in order of importance to me as a D&RGW narrow gauge steam mountain railroad foamer (that should just about cover all the bases):
1. Day 1 of 3: Chama-to-Osier-to-Chama.
Day 2 of 3: Antonito-to Osier-to-Antonito.
Day 3 of 3: Chase Chama to Cumbres AM and chase returning Antonito train PM.
2. Day 1 and 2 above for 2 days total with no ground chase.
3. One day only: Chama-to-Osier-to-Chama
4. One day only alternate: Chama-to-Antonito one way.
Please notice that I always prefer the Eastbound out of Chama. Why?
Because the 4% grade lets the locomotive put on a darn good show and now with water cars, heavier trains etc. double headers are required. I don't need to elaborate on the why's to anybody here about the appeal of double headers. I experienced my first steam powered double-headers in 2000 on the C&TS and I wasn't disappointed at all.
Now what does all this mean? The Antonito departures need more pizzazz. Double heading, wether necessary or not, might be a start. Yes, I can appreciate the extra hassle using a helper engine adds to the days work load. The payoff might be in heavier ticket sales on that side.
Earl, what would the logistics be for keeping a helper at Antonito also. Both the Chama and Antonito Helpers could change sides each day like the road engines do now for the heavier service the Chama shop provides. Also this keeps another engine available on the Antonito side for rescue work and/or MOW work. It does require another servicable engine, which I take it to be the 3 & 2 Earl mentions.
What else besides double-heading would make the Antonito departures more attractive? Like a circus(maybe the Indians Jones circus train should be resurrected? naw.), the railroad is putting on a show or performance to attract people to come and pay good money for something to see, hear, smell and feel. The non-railfans need something more to see than more sagebrush and lava rock, seen one sagebrush ya seen em all. Perhaps some staged Butch Cassidy robberies might be one idea (whew, that one'll get my shorts flamed for sure.) Can't do Native American raids cause that isn't accepted today. But maybe an Indian pow-wow up on the lava flats might be a destination to run some short trains out of Antonito to on a couple of weekends. Yes, that sounds like some of the previous operators ideas rehashed. I am just brain farting here and some of these ideas may be pretty hairbrained. But my intentions are to spark ideas. The desert garden and the golf course ideas are not that far-fetched, really.
All of this will take some time, lots of money and some enterprising people with dedication and downright fortitude to make happen. But, first the railroad needs to be stabilized (which is hopefully happening, albeit tenously) and reach the next goal of 60,000 riders per season. Once the RR can be counted on to reliably provide what it advertises it can do, then tour operators can be enticed to send their customers for a ride.
Mark Valerius
P.S. Jay has a point about the local residents and why some of them have moved to the Chama valley. The scenery there does have a pretty quality to it and it is relatively quiet compared to the hub-bub of Durango or Pagosa Springs.
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Scheduling for 100,000

Frank Martindell April 14, 2002 02:51PM

Re: Scheduling for 100,000

Greg Scholl April 14, 2002 05:06PM

Re: How about it. Greg?

Jay Wimer April 14, 2002 08:45PM

Re: How about it. Greg?

Greg Scholl April 15, 2002 07:35AM

Re: Solely dependent?

Jay Wimer April 15, 2002 06:35PM

Re: Scheduling for 100,000

Glenn Butcher April 14, 2002 06:49PM

Part of where to advertise

RichB April 14, 2002 08:29PM

Re: Part of where to advertise

Mik April 15, 2002 08:08AM

Re: Part of where to advertise

another outsider April 16, 2002 07:14AM

Re: Part of where to advertise

Frank Martindell April 16, 2002 10:58AM

Re: Scheduling for 100,000

Jay Wimer April 14, 2002 09:02PM

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Earl April 15, 2002 10:45AM

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Jay Wimer April 15, 2002 06:40PM

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Earl April 16, 2002 08:03AM

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Jay Wimer April 16, 2002 08:56AM

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Mik April 16, 2002 10:19AM

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Fred T April 16, 2002 11:05AM

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Jay Wimer April 16, 2002 08:43PM

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Les Jarrett April 16, 2002 10:35AM

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Frank Martindell April 16, 2002 11:12AM

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Mark Valerius April 16, 2002 12:25PM

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Fred T April 16, 2002 01:02PM

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Mark Valerius April 16, 2002 03:07PM

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Kenneth Cotton April 17, 2002 09:51AM

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Hoss April 16, 2002 08:05PM

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Bill Kepner April 16, 2002 01:10PM

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Mik April 16, 2002 01:37PM

Billboards? You don't really mean that.

Sarducci April 16, 2002 07:44PM

Re: Billboards? You don't really mean that.

Jay Wimer April 16, 2002 07:53PM

Well that just goes to show...

Sarducci April 16, 2002 08:13PM

Re: Well that just goes to show...

Jay Wimer April 16, 2002 08:38PM

Re: Billboards? You don't really mean that.

Mik April 16, 2002 08:26PM

What we have here is failure to communicate

Sarducci April 16, 2002 10:04PM

Re: What we got here is a failure to communicate

Fred T April 17, 2002 12:02AM

Fred, you slipped in the "a" word

Sarducci April 17, 2002 07:00AM

watch it, Frad

Crayuft April 17, 2002 08:19AM

Re: What we have here is failure to communicate

Jay Wimer April 17, 2002 05:58AM

Re: What we have here is failure to communicate

Mik April 17, 2002 06:50AM

Making Antonito Interesting

Les Jarrett April 16, 2002 02:19PM

Re: Making Antonito Interesting

Mark Valerius April 16, 2002 03:16PM

Re: Making Antonito Interesting

Jay Wimer April 16, 2002 07:51PM

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Tom Stewart April 17, 2002 08:16AM

Re: Making Antonito Interesting

Mark Valerius April 18, 2002 04:05PM

Re: Making Antonito Interesting

Jay Wimer April 18, 2002 11:11PM

Wonder what it would take.....

RichB April 16, 2002 03:49PM

Getting attention

James R. Temple April 16, 2002 04:34PM

Develop what is already in Antonito

Craig Miller April 16, 2002 06:24PM

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Scott Green April 17, 2002 08:36AM

Goofy Idea

Greg Scholl April 17, 2002 09:31AM

Re: Goofy Idea

tim olson April 18, 2002 03:06PM

don't want no McDonalds along MY narrie gage railr

Clyde Putman (AKA Deerslayer) April 16, 2002 08:57PM

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Eric Dowty April 20, 2002 07:03PM

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Clyde Putman (AKA Deerslayer0 April 20, 2002 10:41PM

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Earl April 22, 2002 09:13AM

Time to wear asbestos

Dan Markoff April 17, 2002 07:02AM

Here comes a high inside fastball

Earl April 17, 2002 07:39AM

The Hail Mary Pass

Dan Markoff April 17, 2002 09:11AM

Re: Time to wear asbestos

Greg Scholl April 17, 2002 07:48AM

Re: Billboards

Earl April 17, 2002 08:52AM

Re: Time to wear asbestos

Mik April 17, 2002 08:47AM

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Mark Valerius April 18, 2002 04:21PM

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Jay Wimer April 18, 2002 10:52PM

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Gary Waite April 19, 2002 10:17AM



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