Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

August 18, 2009 11:58AM
Hi Rick,

I spent most all of my free time between 1989 and 1996 coordinating a disparate group of Wyoming and Colorado interests, led by a Wyoming state senator from Laramie, in protesting the abandonment of the WyCo. We had a chance to buy the Colorado side of the line from Walden to the state line for $1.2M, but the State of Colorado dropped the ball at the last minute. Ownership of the Colorado portion would have automatically forestalled abandonment of the Wyoming side. But I managed to help these folks to stretch out what should have been an automatic 60-day exemption filing for 6-1/2 years. Not shabby for a beginner's effort. Unfortunately, the abandonment locked up what was estimated by geologists to be 5 billion tons of the lowest-sulfur coal in North America. Stupid, stupid!!!

I was working with the mine, which faced a 10-cent-per-ton price penalty versus UP's own Hanna coal, mostly because of transportation costs. While the mining was suspended at the time the railroad was abandoned, the company was aggressively pursuing a radical design for a laser-guided long-wall machine that would have mined vertically instead of horizontally; this would have brought down production costs and make the coal more competitive. This radical design was necessitated by the fact that the coal beds in Jackson County are tipped up on edge; normal long-wall mining is useless. The target market was Midwestern power plants, which would have mixed the low-sulfur Walden coal with a high-sulfur local coal to meet EPA requirements. The utilities were interested, but not at the price we would have delivered the coal to them.

The high transportation costs were occasioned by two factors. First was the usual massive snows that plague all Rocky Mountain railroads, but which seem to be singularly bad in the Snowy Range. The WyCo should have been a rotary plow road, but they owned nothing more that a wedge plow. For a while they would borrow (read: rent) one of the UP's rotaries. But in the last couple of years WyCo just decided it was not worth the effort to plow, and the line was shut down in the winter. We even talked with them about creating a coal stockpile in Laramie to help bridge the winter months, but nothing came of the idea.

The second problem was those otherwise beautiful Albany Loops, combined with the 2-1/2% grade. The Loop gradient was uncompensated, so it probably had an effective grade of 3-1/2 to 4%. The curves themselves were so tight that a train of anything more than about 35 cars would "stringline", dumping the train into the inside of a curve. Therefore, with a standard 105-car train, it was necessary to triple the hill! Between the weather and the Albany Loops, this was one expensive railroad to operate.

Should the WyCo have been built in the first place? Probably not. Having built it, should it have been preserved? Yes. We don't know the future for coal in power generation. But the worst case scenario should have been to mothball the line under the ownership of the two states, perform minimal track maintenance as needed, and wait for the day when all of that very-low-sulfur coal might be in high demand. That was a vision that politicians and bureaucrats in the two states (especially Wyoming) couldn't understand.

About the excursion train.... I think it could have survived with good management and far better marketing. As for the sterile scenery between Laramie and Centennial, well, to my Westerner's eye, it has a special beauty that only high-elevation deserts can have. Actually, it is much the same as the terrain out of Antonito, which does not seem to be an inhibiting factor for the C&TS. Beyond Centennial, the WyCo line was spectacular, again in its own way, and I think it could favorably compete with our friends in southwestern Colorado. And unlike the C&TS and the D&S, home base for the Wyco was on a major Interstate highway (I-80). Remember, it is all about location, location, location.

But that's all sad history now. The WyCo very likely could never be rebuilt. The cost would be high, but more importantly, the line had mostly revisionary easements for the corridor, the Forest Service and the Bureau of land Management being the biggest adjacent property owners. Piecing together the right-of-way again would literally take an act of Congress.

All of the foregoing is an object lesson of what happens when states do not have coherent rail transportation plans, including a system for dealing with rail abandonments. Western states in particular are almost wholly unprepared to respond to an abandonment filing.

End of lecture. Test on Friday.

Mike

PS. I should have mentioned that the Wyco operated two different sets of passenger cars over the lifetime of their ownership. The first set consisted of cars leased from an abortive attempt to start an excursion train on the Aspen branch of the D&RGW (they forgot a minor detail: ask the railroad first!). The second set I found for them before things turned sour; it consisted of a set of pre-WW2 Santa Fe El Capitan Budd stainless cars. Came from a closed operation in Oklahoma (as I remember). The Albany Loops curves were so bad that the WyCo had the ICC car inspector after the railroad for damage to the car trucks.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/18/2009 12:34PM by mikerowe.
Subject Author Posted

Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

southparkline1 August 16, 2009 10:29PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

South Park August 16, 2009 11:12PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Ed Stabler August 17, 2009 05:47AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

hogger42 August 17, 2009 05:51AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

southparkline1 August 17, 2009 08:38AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

dougvv August 17, 2009 08:51AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Randall Hess April 24, 2010 10:36AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

snowtownbob July 03, 2011 08:33AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

drgw0579 August 17, 2009 08:24AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

dougvv August 17, 2009 08:49AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? *pics*

Jim August 17, 2009 10:00AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? *pics*

KoloradoKid August 17, 2009 10:31AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? *pics*

Etrump August 17, 2009 01:42PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? *pics*

Dave Bates August 17, 2009 03:06PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Beau Brandstetter April 24, 2010 10:10AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Jason Van Horn July 02, 2011 08:20PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Dirk Ramsey July 02, 2011 08:42PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

hank August 17, 2009 03:23PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

jim pallow August 17, 2009 03:39PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? Attachments

drgw0579 August 17, 2009 04:21PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Car57 December 27, 2017 05:56AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? Attachments

drgw0579 August 17, 2009 04:24PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Tim Schreiner August 17, 2009 04:34PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO??? Attachments

Rich Murray August 18, 2009 11:53AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Rick Steele August 18, 2009 09:06AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

mikerowe August 18, 2009 11:58AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Rick Steele August 18, 2009 01:14PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

drgw0579 April 24, 2010 07:43AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Tom Moungovan April 24, 2010 08:25AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Jon Bentz April 24, 2010 12:45PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

dcsunderland May 01, 2010 08:30PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

nedsn3 July 03, 2011 09:44AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Eric Miller December 26, 2017 09:11AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Greg Scholl July 02, 2011 08:44PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Jason Van Horn July 02, 2011 09:39PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Greg Scholl July 03, 2011 10:16AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

michael July 02, 2011 08:56PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

nedsn3 July 03, 2011 09:48AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Car57 July 04, 2011 09:09PM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

South Park July 05, 2011 02:05AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

Rick Steele July 05, 2011 08:18AM

Re: Abandoned Railroad near Walden CO???

mikerowe July 05, 2011 09:08AM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login