December 13, 2005 04:43PM
I have had the opportunity to run examples of each. The last was a two truck I was graciously allowed to run a few years back (I can't mention names).I want to elicit opinons from other enginemen, and hear what THEY liked. I will editorialize a little (I can't help myself).
Baldwin - The biggest. They were the "GM" and their engines were the "Chevies", not the best or the fanciest, but they sure could take the punishment. I worked a lot of Baldwins and my respect for them as machinery somehow makes me proud of them in a patriotic way. SOme roads, like the ATSF ordered (mostly) Baldwins their entire corporate history. The narrow gauges of America liked Baldwin because of their "no order too big, too small, or too specialized" corporate policy.
American Locomotive. This company was the product of a 1900 consolidation of a number of smaller builders. The dominant builder, Schenectady, was the the benefactor, as, one by one the smaller builders closed. Some would compare Alco as the "Studebaker" of the builders. They were capable of great engines, but not always. Some detractors say they didn't have the "finish" or "quality" of Baldwin or Lima. However, "heavy hitters" like the UP ordered a lot of Alcos, culminating with engines like the 800 series 4-8-4s ,that were capable of 90 mph speeds for HOURS! The three Alcos I ran were good locomotives (473,476,478), but that is all I have as experience with this builder.
Lima Locomotiv4e and Machine CO.
A lot of locomotive historians call this the "Cadillac" of the engine builders.The conundrum is that they built that reputation on the Shay patent. Shays indeed enjoyed an excellent reputation. A testament is how many are still operating. This builder hit its stride near the end of steam, with its "superpower" locomotives. Thgey sold a lot of them, wit the most famous being the GS class of 4-8-4 on the SP.
American-made locomotives were like its automobiles- sturdy and built for distance and abuse. Builders of the day told railroads their engines were good for thirty years. It's a fine testament that some engines far older than that still run.
The discussion is open- is there a difference among builders?
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Baldwin, Alco or Lima- who made the best?

El Coke December 13, 2005 04:43PM

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Chris Ahrens December 13, 2005 06:43PM

Good one, Chris !

El Coke December 13, 2005 07:12PM

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J.B.Bane December 13, 2005 08:25PM

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Tom Shreve December 14, 2005 02:11AM

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John Bush December 14, 2005 07:11AM

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J.B.Bane December 14, 2005 09:57AM

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dan December 14, 2005 03:03PM

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J.B.Bane December 14, 2005 07:37PM

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Phil Reader December 14, 2005 10:06PM

WIllamettes hadf a great reputation

El Coke December 14, 2005 11:37PM

Re: WIllamettes hadf a great reputation *LINK*

dan December 15, 2005 08:15AM

WIllamette facts

El Coke December 15, 2005 09:04AM

WIllamette's Shay rights

Keith Hayes December 17, 2005 04:04PM

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Bruce R. Pier December 17, 2005 04:42PM

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Loggerhogger December 18, 2005 10:51AM

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Phil Reader December 16, 2005 10:07PM

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J.B.Bane December 15, 2005 09:39AM

Heisler redux

El Coke December 15, 2005 07:38PM

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Jerry December 15, 2005 08:03PM

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J.B.Bane December 16, 2005 10:12AM

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Taylor Rush December 16, 2005 12:03PM

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J.B.Bane December 16, 2005 01:37PM

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Jerry December 16, 2005 07:20PM

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J.B.Bane December 16, 2005 07:31PM

Re: Might as well.........

Jerry December 16, 2005 07:37PM

Taylor, stay off the doughnuts! *NM*

El Coke December 16, 2005 11:48PM

Re: What's wrong with pie power? *NM*

Gavin Hamilton December 17, 2005 12:19PM

Dont forget the Climax!

Donald Foster December 16, 2005 03:20PM

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Jeff Hartmann December 19, 2005 01:41PM

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CCM December 14, 2005 06:16AM

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Rick Steele December 14, 2005 08:44AM

"Thge Mighty 800s"

El Coke December 14, 2005 11:42PM

Re: UP's 800's - See my 844(4) post, above ... *NM*

Russ Sperry December 15, 2005 09:38PM

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Linn W. Moedinger December 14, 2005 06:41AM

But there is another question!!!

Ryan Scott December 15, 2005 07:59PM

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dan December 14, 2005 03:14PM

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SVCartoad December 14, 2005 07:04PM

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J.B.Bane December 14, 2005 07:53PM

Willamette

Lon Wall December 16, 2005 04:34PM

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