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Not Great Examples to Follow

April 28, 2005 09:46PM
Well Mr. Day, it would seem that the D&RGW decided half a century ago that yellow coaches would bring in more riders than green ones. Something about making the coaches more bright and colorful to help attract more tourist. Kind of like…..red.
Here and above you used the WP&Y, Knotts and EBT as models of successful railways that have green coaches. You must be kidding. I know you are knowledgeable enough to know that the WP&Y is successful only because the cruise ships drop 400,000 passengers a year right on their platforms. They do not NEED to have any other “hook” to try and get passengers. The color of their cars makes no difference.
Knotts? 99% of people do NOT go to Knotts because of the beautiful, historic train (which it is). They go there to ride roller coasters. Using Knotts as a model for the C&TS to follow is just ridiculous. People complance about turning the C&TS into a Disneyland. Knotts IS Disneyland!!
Do you really want to use the EBT as an example for the C&TS to follow? The EBT is a 3 mile railway that is just barley hanging on financially. While I may think the EBT is the coolest narrow gauge railway on earth, the average tourist are not flocking to Orbisonia.
While your examples of railways to follow DO have great looking and historic equipment and I personally love these places, I really don’t think you are doing your argument any justice by using them as model for the C&TS to follow.
Also, the three examples you mention have one very important thing that the C&TS does not. Historical passenger equipment. If we are so concerned about the fact that the color is not correct for D&RGW passenger equipment, why are we not concerned that the same cars are converted flatcars or home built cars? These cars are not historic. They where built to carry tourist (not railfans) so the railway should paint these cars whatever color helps them do their job. If that color turns out to not be Red, then pick another one. However, one thing seems to be sure and even the D&RGW agreed that the best color was NOT green.
You said “if the historic preservation part of the C&TS gets pushed aside and it is turned into a circus train, why should a fan of the D&RGW narrow gauge care if it survives or not?”
I believe there are hundreds of volunteers that show up every year in Chama and all over the C&TS line that can think of why. Or maybe the 100 plus historically correct freight cars might be a good reason. Or how about all the building that have been restored and painted correctly in Chama, Cumbres, Osier or Sublete.
These new coaches have nothing to do with the historic preservation part of the C&TS. They exist to generate revenue so there is money in the bank to pay for the historic preservation of the historic equipment. If the regular passenger train (that never ran on the D&RGW) needs to look like a “circus train” as you called it, to generate that revenue, then so be it.
And for the people that are upset because the red will not look good in their pictures, you have to forgive me if I really don’t feel too sorry for you. The C&TS is trying to do something to help generate revenue and use that money to preserve the history of railroading in the area and trying to support an economy of an area that has very little else to survive on. And you are upset that your pictures don’t come out the way you like?!?! (Not to you Mr. Day but the others who made such statements)
The funny part about this whole thing is that they probably had the same type of debates 50 years ago when the D&RGW started to paint their coaches yellow.
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C&TSRR Has A New Color Scheme *LINK* *PIC*

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Don Richter April 27, 2005 03:15PM

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roger hogan April 27, 2005 01:43PM

FWIW

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Jerry Day April 27, 2005 04:48PM

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Jerry Day April 28, 2005 03:18PM

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Jerry Day April 28, 2005 03:15PM

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Dick April 28, 2005 05:11PM

Horrible

Herb Kelsey April 27, 2005 05:25PM

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Tom Stewart April 27, 2005 06:01PM

Re: Horrible

Carlos Llamas April 27, 2005 06:15PM

Re: Horrible

Greg Scholl April 27, 2005 07:15PM

Re: Horrible

Andrew Brandon April 27, 2005 07:34PM

"Oh, Gee, IF They Were Just A Little Darker"

Herb Kelsey April 27, 2005 10:33PM

Actually...

Taylor Rush April 28, 2005 10:12AM

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Herb Kelsey April 28, 2005 05:30PM

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Carlos Llamas April 27, 2005 08:07PM

Re: grandfather.

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Re: grandfather.

Carlos Llamas April 27, 2005 08:39PM

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Don Hennen April 28, 2005 12:11PM

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Don Richter April 28, 2005 03:52PM

Re: Horrible

Jerry Day April 28, 2005 05:18PM

There are really two issues

John West April 28, 2005 06:39PM

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Jerry Day April 28, 2005 06:52PM

Could it be

roger hogan April 28, 2005 07:23PM

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John Bush April 28, 2005 08:42PM

Re: There are really two issues

Chris Callaawy April 30, 2005 07:17AM

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Taylor Rush April 27, 2005 07:07PM

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Charlie Mutschler April 27, 2005 07:32PM

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Taylor Rush April 27, 2005 07:41PM

Ok then Paint the Engine Boilers Green

John Frank April 27, 2005 07:37PM

Re: Paint the Engine Boilers Green - DARK Green *NM*

Russ Sperry April 27, 2005 08:06PM

On some things everybody has an opinion

John West April 27, 2005 09:45PM

you nailed that one on the head! *NM*

Rodger Polley April 27, 2005 10:01PM

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WP&Ymike April 28, 2005 01:57AM

Re: On some things everybody has an opinion

Frank Martindell April 30, 2005 12:16PM

Re: C&TSRR Has A New Color Scheme *PIC*

WP&Ymike April 28, 2005 02:10AM

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Charlie Mutschler April 28, 2005 07:36AM

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Rick Steele April 29, 2005 08:11AM

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John Sporseen April 28, 2005 12:20PM

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Mark Fuller April 28, 2005 02:03PM

How nice it is . . .

Tom Farmer April 28, 2005 07:56PM

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Jerry Day April 28, 2005 08:10PM

Historical Context

Tom Farmer April 28, 2005 08:52PM

Color scheme: More food for thought

Santa Fe Slim May 01, 2005 10:12PM

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Steve Stockham May 02, 2005 07:09AM

Re: Color scheme: More food for thought

Santa Fe Slim May 07, 2005 01:49AM

Not Great Examples to Follow

Jack Ways April 28, 2005 09:46PM

Re: Not Great Examples to Follow

Chile John April 29, 2005 08:29AM

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Mark Valerius April 29, 2005 12:08PM

Carlos Llamas!

Herb Kelsey April 29, 2005 09:29AM

Ditto *NM*

Don Richter April 29, 2005 09:44AM

Ditto, Ditto *NM*

tom casper April 29, 2005 03:47PM

Re: Ditto, Ditto

Carlos Llamas April 30, 2005 11:42PM

Thanks

Don Richter May 01, 2005 09:43AM

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Tom Richards May 03, 2005 06:46AM

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Don Richter May 03, 2005 08:26AM

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Linn W. Moedinger May 03, 2005 06:06AM

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Tom Richards May 03, 2005 06:32AM

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Norm May 03, 2005 08:32AM

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Jim Adams May 03, 2005 11:21AM

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Greg Scholl May 03, 2005 02:07PM

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Jim Adams May 03, 2005 03:40PM

D&RGW's Choice of "Grande Gold"

Herb Kelsey May 03, 2005 05:20PM

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Kevin Bush May 03, 2005 02:21PM

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DRGW489 May 03, 2005 05:48PM

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Don Richter May 04, 2005 08:27AM

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DRGW489 May 04, 2005 03:52PM

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Russ Sperry May 05, 2005 02:41AM

Re: rediculous

Tom Richards May 04, 2005 05:21AM

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Mark Fuller May 04, 2005 08:44AM

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Kevin Bush May 04, 2005 09:40AM

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Tom Richards May 04, 2005 09:47AM

At least there is Steam! *LINK*

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