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Re: CHS will amend the terms *LINK*

August 22, 2004 11:13PM
Very interesting conversation here. As I may have said before I do think that by choosing a smaller operator such as Railstar, they can have some excuse to (as said here) dump after a season or two and continue with their conspiracy to develop the area. To me, I think that a steam mountain railroad is a bigger draw than a biking/hiking park and ski resort...heck you could put biking/hiking trails in already and make it a dual attraction can't you? This is scary politics at work. Many of us have written letters to the Governor and other places...and no response on my letter (anybody get a response yet from theirs?!). As for amending the RFP, yes that's probably what they will do. With the things that the CHS wants here out of the operator...isn't it a little funny that they'd get three (one small, two noname) potential operators knocking on their door interested in this operation? If 30 percent of profits is the deal here, I doubt anybody would be interested. Perhaps the grudge against the GLR Inc-ie Lindsey Ashby/Mark Greksa...and by making the RFP so unfair it can get rid of them? It's amazing what egos can do. Just like out in California with a lifelong Californian, Norman Clark, starting Roaring Camp (not a Santa Cruz mountain native give you)...having two natives of the area operate the attraction is a very good thing. And from what I understand the whole organization is very active in the local community, and has drawn people there for the 30 years or so it has been operating.
So out of a 1-100 percentage scale, what would everyone think the possibility of the CHS changing their darn RFP and GLR Inc. can return to the loop? With these CHS folks, it sounds like a very minimal chance. A little over a month before the flame of hope burns out, just like the fires in the 12, 14, and 40. When a railroad is practically an institution and is known worldwide, who in their right mind would want to shut it down? It's bringing in good tourist money and people into the area...when you have little European diesels with tweety horns on the bridge, you won't get the draw that the #40 or the Shays get. Sure some will argue that diesels attract passengers too, but when you've had a steam-operated railroad for decades and it switches to diesel, people get turned off. Sure some extremely un-rail-folks will question "if its steam", but anybody can tell a diesel from a steam locomotive. You do get people puzzled by the amusement park fake steam junk, but these are usually in very steam-deprived areas. There are several people probably into their 20s or 30s that have never seen a steam locomotive in their entire lives! Believe me, I know some. If the CHS conspiracy theory is true, than they'll get what they want; a railroad out of business and all that land back...but at the expense of at LEAST one very historic locomotive, the people of Georgetown and Silver Plume, and the employees of the GLR Inc. and their families (they may get job offers, but I understand most of the crew are Colorado natives. With the steam industry, jobs are scattered all over...and having to move to a different state on the job from somewhere you've lived your whole life).
I'm really curious if any CHS people are on this board and are just staying silent...
I was going to say something else but had a mental block...maybe it will come back to me later.
Best wishes to all and keep steaming!!
-Ed Kelley
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9 News announcing Railstar is going to Georgetown *NM*

John August 18, 2004 12:27PM

Re: 9 News announcing Railstar is going to Georget

Scott Hightower August 18, 2004 12:37PM

Re: 9 News announcing Railstar is going to Georget

Jim Poston August 18, 2004 12:39PM

Re: 9 News announcing Railstar is going to Georget

Kerry Ann August 18, 2004 01:18PM

Contact People - Why

Ken Graczyk August 18, 2004 05:37PM

Re: Contact People - Why

Rod Jensen August 18, 2004 05:52PM

Our goal-GLRR Management Team

Mark Greksa August 18, 2004 08:46PM

Re: Our goal-GLRR Management Team

Doug JuNDA August 18, 2004 09:33PM

Re: Our goal-GLRR Management Team

John August 19, 2004 09:26AM

Re: Contact People - Why

Stephen Peck August 18, 2004 06:30PM

Re: Contact People - Why

Jim Poston August 18, 2004 07:23PM

Ron Trottier, Railstar Pres., 315-654-2300

Jim Poston August 18, 2004 12:48PM

CHS Press release

doug junda August 18, 2004 12:59PM

Re: Ron Trottier, Railstar Pres., 315-654-2300

2FTGARRATT August 21, 2004 09:48PM

Re: Ron Trottier, Railstar Pres., 315-654-2300

Rod Jensen August 21, 2004 10:55PM

CHS will amend the terms

Scott Hightower August 22, 2004 07:18AM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Kerry Ann August 22, 2004 09:38AM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

John August 22, 2004 09:50AM

Where's the Steam?

Rudnick August 22, 2004 03:50PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Karell Reader August 22, 2004 09:47PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms *LINK*

Ed Kelley August 22, 2004 11:13PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Steve Stockham August 23, 2004 05:09PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms *LINK*

Wooly August 23, 2004 05:52PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Rod Jensen August 23, 2004 08:44PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Wooly August 23, 2004 09:18PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Rod Jensen August 23, 2004 10:13PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Kerry Ann August 23, 2004 10:34PM

Re: CHS will amend the terms

Ed Kelley August 23, 2004 11:20PM

Its not personal

Karell Reader August 25, 2004 08:06AM

Re: Its not personal

Tim Schreiner August 25, 2004 09:08AM

Its not personal - Address - Defend 'em

Ken Graczyk August 25, 2004 01:10PM

Re: Its not personal - Address - Defend 'em

Don Richter August 25, 2004 01:28PM

Re: Its not personal - Address - Defend 'em

Ed Kelley August 28, 2004 06:39PM

Re: Its not personal

Jeff A. August 25, 2004 09:10AM

Re: Its not personal

Mike Stillwell August 25, 2004 09:14AM

Good points ...and a Karma lesson

El Coke August 25, 2004 11:31AM

Re: Its not personal

Gavin Hamilton August 25, 2004 12:17PM

Re: Its not personal

Steve Stockham August 25, 2004 04:57PM

Re: Its not personal

Rick Steele August 26, 2004 09:40AM

Spotlight the CHS!

Jim Poston August 23, 2004 09:10PM

Re: Ron Trottier, Railstar Pres., 315-654-2300

Karell Reader August 21, 2004 11:09PM

Re: Ron Trottier, Railstar Pres., 315-654-2300

Kerry Ann August 22, 2004 01:14AM

Oh my, just what was feared.

Mark Valerius August 18, 2004 01:21PM

A procurement gone bad...

Scott Hightower August 18, 2004 01:43PM

On the other hand

Don Richter August 18, 2004 02:17PM

Re: 9 News announcing Railstar is going to Georget

John August 18, 2004 02:55PM

Did the Loop Bow Out or did CHS ignore them?

Kerry Ann August 18, 2004 03:07PM

Re: Did the Loop Bow Out or did CHS ignore them?

Kerry Ann August 18, 2004 04:38PM

Here's the happy talk from 9News

Scott Hightower August 18, 2004 03:33PM

Re: Here's the happy talk from 9News

Kerry Ann August 18, 2004 03:50PM

Somebody's going to get rich over this...

Scott Hightower August 18, 2004 04:10PM

Burnt earth

Yosemite Sam August 18, 2004 04:42PM

Re: Here's the happy talk from 9News

Steve Stockham August 18, 2004 05:43PM

Random thoughts, one beer down the road

Don Richter August 18, 2004 06:23PM

Re: Random thoughts, one beer down the road

M. Peterson August 18, 2004 06:32PM

The Devil is in the Details!

Michael Allen August 18, 2004 11:12PM

Re: The Devil is in the Details!

Observer August 18, 2004 11:54PM

Re: The Devil is in the Details! *LINK*

Ed Kelley August 21, 2004 07:37PM

Re: The Devil is in the Details!

John August 21, 2004 09:24PM

Re: The Devil is in the Details!

Ed Kelley August 21, 2004 09:32PM

Re: The Devil is in the Details!

John August 21, 2004 09:35PM

RR Naming rights

Randy Buchter August 25, 2004 05:48PM

Re: RR Naming rights

Douglas vV August 25, 2004 06:39PM

Re: RR Naming rights

Rick Steele August 26, 2004 09:21AM

Re: RR Naming rights - II

Rick Steele August 26, 2004 09:27AM

Re: RR Naming rights - II

Rick Steele August 26, 2004 09:28AM

Re: RR Naming rights - II

Wooly August 26, 2004 10:15AM

Re: RR Naming rights

Dan Robirds August 26, 2004 09:55AM

Re: RR Naming rights

Chris Webster August 26, 2004 05:11PM

Re: RR Naming rights

Randy Buchter August 26, 2004 07:28PM

Re: RR Naming rights

John Hammond August 26, 2004 08:16PM

USCWAP Railway

William Diehl August 26, 2004 08:26PM

Re: USCWAP Railway

Karell Reader August 26, 2004 10:09PM

Re: USCWAP Railway

Paul Hagglund August 26, 2004 10:53PM

Re: USCWAP Railway

Paul Hagglund August 26, 2004 10:53PM

Re: USCWAP Railway

Douglas vV August 26, 2004 10:56PM

It aint the railroad Railstar is focused on ...

Stephen Peck August 19, 2004 02:21AM

Does Railstar know of this board? *LINK*

Steven Haworth August 19, 2004 08:02AM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

Dale Brown August 19, 2004 10:43AM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

Bruce R. Pier August 19, 2004 12:45PM

What about ex-steamers from Brookfield Zoo, IL? *LINK*

Steven Haworth August 20, 2004 08:53AM

Re: What about ex-steamers from Brookfield Zoo, IL

Bruce R. Pier August 20, 2004 09:01AM

Bummer - not even close to viable *LINK*

Steven Haworth August 20, 2004 10:05AM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

Roger Mitchell August 20, 2004 11:59AM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

Douglas vV August 20, 2004 12:56PM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

J.B.Bane August 20, 2004 02:28PM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

dan August 20, 2004 04:43PM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

Bruce R. Pier August 20, 2004 02:47PM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

South Park August 20, 2004 06:45PM

Re: Does Railstar know of this board?

J.B.Bane August 20, 2004 07:30PM

boiler laws and caboose 6

dan August 21, 2004 06:48AM

Re: boiler laws and caboose 6

J.B.Bane August 23, 2004 02:38PM

Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Ed Kelley August 22, 2004 11:27PM

Functional Historic Hawaiian Steam *LINK* *PIC*

M Austin August 24, 2004 12:18AM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Jess VanWinkle August 24, 2004 06:45AM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12) *LINK*

Ed Kelley August 24, 2004 06:19PM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Jess VanWinkle August 25, 2004 06:29AM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Paul Hagglund August 25, 2004 09:06AM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Ed Kelley August 25, 2004 12:10PM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Jess VanWinkle August 26, 2004 07:56AM

Re: Hawaiian Narrow Gauge (and Silverwood #12)

Ed Kelley August 26, 2004 04:47PM

Re: It aint the railroad Railstar is focused on .. *LINK*

Ed Kelley August 21, 2004 07:54PM

Re: It aint the railroad Railstar is focused on ..

South Park August 21, 2004 08:08PM

Re: It aint the railroad Railstar is focused on ..

Ed Kelley August 21, 2004 08:12PM

It ain't for sale...

Skip Luke August 24, 2004 12:46AM

Re: It aint the railroad Railstar is focused on ..

Olaf the Red August 22, 2004 05:41AM

Re: Here's the happy talk from 9News

South Park August 18, 2004 06:31PM

Well said...

Scott Hightower August 19, 2004 09:28AM



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