Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: Hagans Locomotive Workings and the whyte system

January 17, 2020 09:50AM
Olaf Rasmussen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> At least to me, it was a bit mysterious just how
> the Hagans system of articulation worked. The
> Hagans system was designed in an effort to develop
> locomotives that had all the advantages of
> articulation in travelling on tightly curved track
> without requiring flexible steam joints, gear
> drives or more than the two cylinders of rigid
> framed locomotives. A number of different systems
> using rod connections were developed, the most
> successful being the Klose system and the Hagans
> system. Apparently these systems were only used on
> narrow gauge railroads. The Hagans system as used
> on the North East Dundas Tramway is actually
> fairly easy to figure out when you visualize the
> motion of the rods as the engine moves and the
> rear 0-4-0 assembly swivels.

That style of locomotive kind of breaks the Whyte system of classifying wheel arrangements. These types of oddball arrangements weren't included in the original system as they were either rare or not yet invented when the system was developed circa 1900. Whyte certainly isn't set up to deal with hybrid rod/lever drives. It's tempting to call the one pictured above a 2-6-4-0 (and probably most people do) but it could also be called a very peculiar 2-10-0, and doing so is arguably more fitting with the purpose of the Whyte system. The Whyte system is more focused on power sets than articulation* and all powered axles on the Hagans locomotive are driven from the same engine and must all rotate together. I've seen some writers denote Hagans engines using a plus sign similar to how garratts are usually handled, presumably less out of necessity (there are no unpowered axles to cause confusion like on a garratt) than for convenience and informative purpose. It might be a fair way of handling an oddball such as this.

*The primary focus on power sets is why German types like the class 44 and class 50 are called 2-10-0; the 10 driving wheels are all one power set, even though the lead drivers are articulated with the lead wheels using the Krauss-Helmholtz arrangement. Such engines track like 4-8-0's. Likewise that's why a PRR T1 is a 4-4-4-4 even with a rigid frame; the driving sets are independently driven from separate engines.
Subject Author Posted

A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 10, 2020 09:54PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

tgbcvr January 11, 2020 03:47AM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

Russo Loco January 11, 2020 11:27AM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 11, 2020 11:11PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

Russo Loco January 12, 2020 10:49AM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

Earl January 12, 2020 08:47PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania Attachments

SR_Krause January 12, 2020 09:00PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

GeorgeGaskill January 12, 2020 09:09PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

Olaf Rasmussen January 12, 2020 09:09PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

Earl January 12, 2020 09:15PM

Re: A spectacular 2 foot gauge railroad in Tasmania

Olaf Rasmussen January 12, 2020 09:53PM

Re: A spectacular 3 foot 6 gauge railroad in Tasmania

James January 12, 2020 11:22AM

Re: A spectacular 3 foot 6 gauge railroad in Tasmania

Olaf Rasmussen January 12, 2020 08:01PM

Re: A spectacular 3 foot 6 gauge railroad in Tasmania Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 12, 2020 08:40PM

Re: The Hagans locomotive on the NE Dundas Tramway Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 12, 2020 10:36PM

Re: The Garrat locomotives on the NE Dundas Tramway Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 13, 2020 06:17PM

Re: Garrat K1 from Tasmania to Wales Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 13, 2020 10:13PM

Re: Garrat K1 from Tasmania to Wales

Zach_Jones January 15, 2020 01:14AM

Re: Hagans Locomotive Workings Attachments

Olaf Rasmussen January 16, 2020 08:33PM

Re: Hagans Locomotive Workings and the whyte system

James January 17, 2020 09:50AM

Re: Hagans Locomotive Workings and the whyte system

Olaf Rasmussen January 17, 2020 02:33PM

Re: Hagans Locomotive Workings and the whyte system

Olaf Rasmussen January 17, 2020 02:36PM

forum wierdness (ot)

James January 17, 2020 02:57PM

Re: forum wierdness (ot)

Olaf Rasmussen January 17, 2020 03:12PM

Re: forum wierdness (ot)

george pearce January 17, 2020 08:23PM

Re: forum wierdness (ot)

hank January 18, 2020 11:57AM

Re: forum wierdness (ot)

Rader Sidetrack January 17, 2020 09:28PM

Re: Olaf's Hagan's DOS problem?

Russo Loco January 17, 2020 11:03PM

Re: Olaf's Hagan's DOS problem?

Olaf Rasmussen January 17, 2020 11:14PM

Re: Olaf's Hagan's DOS problem?

Glenn Butcher January 18, 2020 07:49AM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login