I am not taking sides but as to this being a civil discussion board, that is clearly a goal most of us have, but go back to the bad days of discussion over the Georgetown Loop and you will see as much nastiness as have occurred in the past on Train Orders regarding Mr.Dickens. What is civil vs. informational is subjective. I am a NG rr'r and have no dog in the fight, nor particular opinion one way or the other on UP steam. I agree, lets try to keep it civil. The UP steam program has been discussed at length on Train orders where some former UP steam crew guys hang out. Let's leave it to them to discuss over there.