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Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

October 26, 2013 01:34PM
I cannot speak for whomever was in charge, but I can say that sometimes
there is more to things than meets the eye. Once I heard someone(a charter operator) state that he could not tell riders to chase the train, for liability issues. Imagine if it stated that in a trip brochure and there was a auto pile-up and someone was killed. The lawyers would be out in force and the said sponsor could be facing a lawsuit.
This is why in 1993 when I a couple of days of charters, I coughed up about $1500 and went through a NM law firm to set me up as a corporation. The name I chose was "Visions of Steam". I never renewed the corporation after the time limit was up, but it served its purpose in that it protected me as an individual and my family and business more than if I did not have it. Sad reality that we had to have it. All it meant was that the spare money we made and donated back to the Friends of the C&TS was that much smaller in the end.
The perfect photo charter is one where 1 person rents the train and does runbys when and where he wants. Of course you have to pay for everything, and you still are subject to engine breakdowns and any other unexpected problems.
As Michael Allen stated the trips are usually limited to a certain number due to room at locations, and price of the charters from the operator. Lets face it there are good spots on the C&TS and D&S that really are not suitable for more than a few people....thats just the way it is. The charter operator has to sacrifice something for the group based on many factors.
Greg Scholl
[www.gregschollvideo.com]

PS One of the biggest problems on the C&TS is just the time it takes to cover the railroad from Antonito to Chama. If consider the crew time on is say 7am, and off is 7 pm. that really means you depart around 8 and get back off train by 6-6:30. So that leaves you 10 hours. Consider the trip without runbys takes 6-7 hours, you are left with 3 to 3.5 hours. If you stop for lunch, or servicing, that cuts into your photo time even further. So say you have 3 hours left, and you spend 30 minutes at each stop, you come up with 6 for the entire day!!!

slrg1744 Wrote:
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> While I did pay for two days of the trip
> (scheduling issues), as it turned out the
> passengers I met complained a lot about day one.
> The main complaint was they were told NOT to
> chase, but to ride out of Chama. While hindsight
> is nearly always 20/20, those that did chase
> apparently were able to score a lot of good shots,
> those riding were treated to only one runby.
>
> In all fairness, perhaps the tour leader should
> explain why instead of endless speculation. So,
> why were paying riders told they should not chase
> up the hill and leave their cars at the summit for
> a few days? Was security for parked cars an
> issue?
>
> Regardless, I agree with other posts that in the
> past most charter operators allowed or encouraged
> riders to chase up to the summit. Perhaps future
> operators may need to take note?
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Chasers Care-avan Perspective Attachments

davidtltc October 17, 2013 05:28PM

Always Looking for Something Different Attachments

davidtltc October 17, 2013 05:32PM

Re: A Ticket-Holder's Phalanx-of-Phoamers Perspectives ... eye popping smiley

Russo Loco October 17, 2013 05:47PM

Re: A Ticket-Holder's Phalanx-of-Phoamers Perspectives ... eye popping smiley

davidtltc October 17, 2013 06:13PM

Re: A Ticket-Holder's Phalanx-of-Phoamers Perspectives ... eye popping smiley

Johnson Barr October 17, 2013 06:59PM

Re: A Certified Curmudgeon's Skewed Perspectives ... hot smiley

Russo Loco October 17, 2013 07:07PM

Reason for this thread

davidtltc October 17, 2013 06:05PM

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KevinM October 17, 2013 06:29PM

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davidtltc October 17, 2013 06:43PM

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Russo Loco October 17, 2013 07:28PM

Re: Reason for this thread

waynek October 17, 2013 11:41PM

Lobato access

John West October 18, 2013 12:18AM

Re: Reasons for a problem - and a possible solution ... smileys with beer

Russo Loco October 18, 2013 12:37AM

Re: Reasons for a problem - and a possible solution ... smileys with beer

Ed Stabler October 18, 2013 05:33AM

Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

slrg1744 October 26, 2013 10:03AM

Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

Steve Singer October 26, 2013 10:58AM

Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

Greg Scholl October 26, 2013 01:34PM

Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

slrg1744 October 26, 2013 03:18PM

Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

trainrider47 October 26, 2013 03:40PM

Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

KevinM October 26, 2013 09:23PM

So, lets provide positive suggestions for future trips

slrg1744 October 26, 2013 11:25PM

Re: So, lets provide positive suggestions for future trips

KevinM October 27, 2013 07:40AM

Re: So, lets provide positive suggestions for future trips

trainrider47 October 27, 2013 09:56AM

Suggestions for future trips

davidtltc October 27, 2013 10:30AM

Motor vehicle liability

John West October 27, 2013 12:11PM

Re: Motor vehicle liability

Russo Loco October 27, 2013 09:54PM

Re: So, lets provide positive suggestions for future trips

Greg Scholl October 27, 2013 01:39PM

Re: So, lets provide positive suggestions for future trips

Russo Loco October 27, 2013 10:08PM

letting go of the past

trainrider47 October 28, 2013 09:36AM

Re: letting go of the past

Greg Scholl October 28, 2013 10:28AM

Re: letting go of the past

trainrider47 October 28, 2013 10:56AM

Re: letting go of the past

Greg Scholl October 28, 2013 12:21PM

Re: Kevin Asked, "Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?" Attachments

Russo Loco October 27, 2013 09:49PM

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Russo Loco October 27, 2013 09:31PM

Re: Why no rider chasers Chama to summit?

Greg Scholl October 28, 2013 03:31PM

Re: A Curmudgeon's Guide to the C&TS Universe ... confused smiley

Russo Loco October 17, 2013 09:00PM

Charters and photo ops Attachments

John West October 17, 2013 09:23PM

Holy Cow ?!#%

davidtltc October 18, 2013 05:33AM

Re: Holy Cow ?!#%

Jason Rose October 18, 2013 11:37AM

Re: Holy Cow ?!#%

trainrider47 October 18, 2013 11:47AM

Re: Charters and photo ops

Greg Scholl October 18, 2013 08:22AM

Re: Charters and photo ops

KevinM October 18, 2013 09:26AM

Re: Charters and photo ops

trainrider47 October 18, 2013 12:03PM

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Russo Loco October 18, 2013 10:08PM

Re: Charters and photo ops

Chris Webster October 23, 2013 08:17AM

Re: Charters and photo ops

Steve Singer October 23, 2013 08:20AM

Re: Charters and photo ops

Greg Scholl October 23, 2013 08:53AM

Also, consider trying different locations

slrg1744 October 22, 2013 11:15PM

Re: Also, consider trying different locations

davidtltc October 23, 2013 07:34AM

Why the photo lines are crowded

trainrider47 October 24, 2013 12:58PM

The photo lines are crowded smileys with beer Bleacher Seating on Runby's Attachments

davidtltc October 24, 2013 02:07PM

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trainrider47 October 24, 2013 03:05PM

Re: The photo lines are crowded smileys with beer Bleacher Seating on Runby's

davidtltc October 24, 2013 05:07PM

Re: The photo lines are crowded - help yourself

Randall Hess October 30, 2013 07:55AM

Re: Also, consider trying different locations

Russo Loco October 23, 2013 01:06PM

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Russo Loco October 18, 2013 09:44PM

Re: Chasers Care-avan Perspective

Earl October 18, 2013 08:01AM

the wrong side of the lens ?

davidtltc October 18, 2013 08:10AM

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Russo Loco October 23, 2013 12:49PM

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rehunn October 23, 2013 01:53PM

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Russo Loco October 23, 2013 09:53PM

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John West October 23, 2013 10:05PM

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Russo Loco October 23, 2013 11:54PM

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rehunn October 26, 2013 11:12AM

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Russo Loco October 27, 2013 10:15PM

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Randall Hess October 30, 2013 07:44AM

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trainrider47 October 30, 2013 08:40AM

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Greg Scholl October 30, 2013 10:10AM

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Randall Hess October 30, 2013 12:45PM

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trainrider47 October 30, 2013 01:33PM

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Greg Scholl October 30, 2013 02:43PM

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trainrider47 October 30, 2013 03:42PM

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Russo Loco October 30, 2013 01:49PM

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jim pallow October 30, 2013 10:48AM

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trainrider47 October 30, 2013 01:42PM

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