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Commission now aware of trestle/culvert issue

October 06, 2011 11:40AM
I have learned that the effort by Russo, Ron, William, Mike, and many others to raise the alarm about "culvertizing" wooden trestles has come to the attention of the Commissioners of the C&TS. As best I can determine they were not aware of these "rents" in the historic fabric, and, as the stewards of the C&TS, they are concerned.

While we need to wait and see what they do to prevent such mindless destruction of historic artifacts in the future, these two incidents point out that "Eternal Vigilance Is the Price of Preservation." As one might expect those responsible for the track upgrading project (who have done wonders) were doing just that -- improving the RoW as would be done on any self-respecting railroad. No one was tasked with being in preservation mode. This looks to be inadvertent, but the damage was done. The same organization that was so careful about preservation issues for Lobato trestle also culvertized the trestles at 286.72 and 287.50.

As for the SHPO's, they have to follow their rule book. Turns out that in 2007 when the railroad and the Friends worked with the SHPO's to massively expand the C&TS's listing for the National Register (see the relevant section of the filing at [www.cumbrestoltec.org]
trestles from the size of Hangman's up through Cascade were identified as "Contributing Resources" and, as such are protected. Since smaller trestles were not so identified, I don't think there is much the SHPO's can do about what has transpired. Besides the SHPO's are not that comfortable with railroad-specific artifacts (now, buildings, that's another matter).

Before getting too worked up over the lack of mention of the two trestles from the National Register, please keep two things in mind:

(a) the 2007 filing is humongous, it describes and protects 240 artifacts (rolling stock, structures, etc.) instead of just 25 as was previously the case, and

(b) the current application to the NPS to elevate the railroad to National Historic Landmark status does encompasses such items as the smaller trestles.

So please, stay tuned and wish us luck in gaining NHL status. (BTW, I'm writing this from the perspective of being a member of the Friends committee that is working on the NHL submission for the railroad).
Subject Author Posted

Wooden Trestles - To Save or Not To Save . . . eye popping smiley

Russo Loco September 27, 2011 12:33PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - SAVE THE REST!!

Chuck Doan September 27, 2011 12:44PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - SAVE THE REST!!

Rich Murray September 27, 2011 12:50PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Russo Loco September 27, 2011 12:58PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

nedsn3 September 27, 2011 03:35PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Tom Stewart September 27, 2011 03:46PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

nedsn3 September 27, 2011 04:04PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Max Cox September 28, 2011 07:31AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

rehunn September 28, 2011 09:14AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Randy Hees October 02, 2011 10:35PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Bill Dennehy September 28, 2011 09:42AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

RichB September 28, 2011 09:50AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

trainrider47 September 28, 2011 11:42AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

RichB September 28, 2011 10:09PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

trainrider47 September 29, 2011 12:15PM

Re: Not Necessarily Culverts

Jim Grigsby September 28, 2011 12:48PM

Re: Not Necessarily Culverts

dougvv September 28, 2011 01:09PM

Thanx for the example!

hank September 28, 2011 10:28AM

Replacement vs. Maintenance

Ron Keagle September 28, 2011 12:00PM

Re: Replacement vs. Maintenance

employee2 September 29, 2011 01:52AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Greg Raven September 28, 2011 01:33PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

guymonmd September 28, 2011 05:03PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

rehunn September 28, 2011 05:27PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Stewart Rhine September 28, 2011 07:45PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost - HELP SAVE THE REST??

Russo Loco September 28, 2011 10:08PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost - HELP SAVE THE REST??

Rich Murray September 29, 2011 05:33AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!! Attachments

mikerowe September 28, 2011 10:54PM

Beautiful Trestle

Ron Keagle September 29, 2011 08:38AM

NNG: Goat Canyon Trestle to return to service?

Russo Loco October 01, 2011 03:25PM

Re: NNG: Goat Canyon Trestle to return to service?

mikerowe October 01, 2011 07:56PM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

drgwk37 September 29, 2011 08:14AM

ECONOMIC COMMON SENSE

Ron Keagle September 29, 2011 11:15AM

Re: Two Wooden Trestles Lost Already - HELP SAVE THE REST!!

Ron Keagle September 30, 2011 10:23AM

Re: 2nd Wooden Trestle Lost . . . Attachments

Russo Loco October 01, 2011 08:17PM

Re: 2nd Wooden Trestle Lost ...

nedsn3 October 01, 2011 10:29PM

Measuring the Cost

Ron Keagle October 02, 2011 08:28AM

Re: Measuring the Cost

Jim Grigsby October 02, 2011 11:40AM

Re: 2nd Wooden Trestle Lost ...

mikerowe October 02, 2011 11:57AM

Re: 2nd Wooden Trestle Lost ...

Russo Loco October 02, 2011 12:21PM

State SHPOs

mikerowe October 02, 2011 12:51PM

Re: State SHPOs

nedsn3 October 02, 2011 06:46PM

Re: State SHPOs - Help fund repairs? ... Comments??

Russo Loco October 03, 2011 05:35PM

Re: State SHPOs - Help fund repairs? ... Comments??

nedsn3 October 04, 2011 08:16PM

Re: State SHPOs

Russo Loco October 02, 2011 11:07PM

Question:

Ron Keagle October 04, 2011 12:29PM

State Line Location

Rich Muth October 04, 2011 12:36PM

Re: State Line Location

Ron Keagle October 04, 2011 01:17PM

Re: State Line Location

Rich Muth October 04, 2011 01:37PM

Re: State Line Location Attachments

Russo Loco October 05, 2011 10:54PM

Re: Question: Attachments

Russo Loco October 05, 2011 10:28PM

Re: Question:

hank October 06, 2011 09:30AM

Re: Question:

Ron Keagle October 06, 2011 10:19AM

Commission now aware of trestle/culvert issue

Dick Cowles October 06, 2011 11:40AM

Re: Commission now aware of trestle/culvert issue

drgwk37 October 06, 2011 12:16PM

Re: Commission now aware of trestle/culvert issue

Rich Murray October 06, 2011 12:22PM

Re: Commission now aware of trestle/culvert issue

Ron Keagle October 06, 2011 12:26PM

Re: Eternal vigilance

Jim Grigsby October 06, 2011 02:52PM

Re: Eternal vigilance

drgwk37 October 06, 2011 02:58PM

Ron's Five Points

Dick Cowles October 06, 2011 03:20PM

UPDATE

Ron Keagle October 06, 2011 05:25PM

Re: Commission now aware of trestle/culvert issue - thumbs upthumbs up

Russo Loco October 06, 2011 11:09PM



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