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This is getting ugly... and I am not talking about the silver trim

September 01, 2008 05:16PM
I was afraid this discussion would get ugly and it looks like my fears have been realized. I am going to once again state my view of this issue and then move on to other things. The paint on 489 is wrong and as "Chile John" says, it looks like crap. Personally, I see no justification to paint it in this fashion-- it adds nothing and detracts from the overall appearance and purpose of the locomotive. Like it or not, the C&TS is and was a museum meant to preserve a part of the D&RGW narrow gauge. It is not an amusement park or carnival ride nor is it Disneyland. That is why SHPO puts strict controls on what happens on the railroad and that is why many of us worked to save it and why we continue to support it. Yes, as John Bush has stated, there were many variations in lettering and the standard diagrams were not always followed. However, the scheme on 489 or the scheme on the boxcar I posted have no basis in history. These schemes are simply the products of someones imagination and I cannot think of any justification for them. These incorrect schemes contribute nothing as opposed to a historically correct scheme. I am as happy as the next person to see this equipment restored and returned to service. However, is it really that difficult to paint and letter the equipment correctly? As for developing some written guidelines or standards-- is it really that difficult to do? There are probably thousands of photographs out there in all sorts of books that show how the equipment was painted and lettered. Bill Kepner mentioned how he and his Friends crew wore out a Narrow Gauge Pictorial book on cabooses as they completed their splendid restoration of 0579. To me, this restoration is evidence of what can be done by doing a little homework. I just don't see why it cannot be done with other projects and equipment.

And am I the only one that feels this way?-- No, I am not. I have received more than a few supportive emails from people who have been following this discussion but are not willing to post here and wade into this mess.
Subject Author Posted

Silver Trim on 489

Bill M. August 31, 2008 01:11AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Ed Stabler August 31, 2008 05:51AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Chile John August 31, 2008 09:27AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Wade Hall August 31, 2008 10:53AM

South America Attachments

John West August 31, 2008 12:34PM

Re: South America

Jerry Day August 31, 2008 01:24PM

Whoa.....

John West August 31, 2008 01:30PM

Re: Whoa.....

Chile John August 31, 2008 01:38PM

Dept. of Historical Integrity

John West September 03, 2008 12:03AM

Re: South America

Ed Stabler August 31, 2008 01:53PM

But.......

John West August 31, 2008 01:59PM

Re: But.......

trainrider47 August 31, 2008 04:21PM

Re: But, but ...

Russo Loco August 31, 2008 11:07PM

Re: But, but ...

John West August 31, 2008 11:38PM

Re: Aw, Shucks ...

Russo Loco September 01, 2008 12:33AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

hank August 31, 2008 02:00PM

Ok we disagree

Roger Hogan August 31, 2008 09:26AM

Re: Ok we disagree

Anonymous User August 31, 2008 10:48AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day August 31, 2008 01:25PM

DRGW specs

John West August 31, 2008 02:23PM

Re: DRGW specs

Jerry Day August 31, 2008 05:32PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Bill M. August 31, 2008 02:31PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489 Attachments

Everett Lueck August 31, 2008 04:02PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Roger Hogan August 31, 2008 04:40PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

John Bush September 01, 2008 03:34PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 03:57PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

John Bush September 01, 2008 04:28PM

But what about the lettering?

trainrider47 September 01, 2008 06:15PM

Logo Slant Attachments

Rich Muth September 01, 2008 07:23PM

Re: Logo Slant

trainrider47 September 01, 2008 07:45PM

Re: Logo Slant

John Bush September 01, 2008 09:14PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Randall Hess September 02, 2008 05:49AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day August 31, 2008 05:33PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

drgw0579 August 31, 2008 08:04PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

hank September 01, 2008 11:16AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 11:49AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

hank September 01, 2008 11:56AM

Re: Historical accuracy and policy standards

rod September 01, 2008 12:04PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Andrew Brandon September 02, 2008 06:56PM

Could be correct

Roger Hogan August 31, 2008 01:57PM

489: The Paint is great

mschur,488 August 31, 2008 03:54PM

Re: 489: The Paint is great

Roger Hogan August 31, 2008 04:44PM

The Paint is Fine-- It is the Silver Trim that is the Problem

Bill M. August 31, 2008 05:02PM

Re: Paint is fine -- excess silver trim IS a problem

Russo Loco September 01, 2008 12:23AM

Re: Paint is fine -- excess silver trim IS a problem

Will Gant September 01, 2008 07:29PM

Re: Be careful what you wish for, Will ...

Russo Loco September 02, 2008 02:13AM

Never say never Attachments

Bob G August 31, 2008 08:33PM

Re: Never say never

Ed Stabler September 01, 2008 05:22AM

Re: Never say never

EBTfan15 September 01, 2008 05:50AM

Re: Never say never

Ed Stabler September 01, 2008 10:58AM

Great Postcard

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 12:07PM

Re: Great Postcard

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 12:43PM

Re: Great Postcard

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 12:48PM

Re: Great Postcard

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 01:34PM

Re: Great Postcard

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 01:42PM

Re: Great Postcard

Chile John September 01, 2008 02:52PM

Re: Great Postcard

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 05:52PM

Great Postcard, bad history!

trainrider47 September 01, 2008 06:26PM

Re: Great Postcard(z)

Russo Loco September 02, 2008 03:14AM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Mik September 01, 2008 01:59PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 02:26PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 02:44PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 02:48PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 05:54PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 05:57PM

WRONG IMHO

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 06:30PM

Re: WRONG IMHO

trainrider47 September 01, 2008 06:48PM

Re: WRONG IMHO

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 06:50PM

question

Randall Hess September 01, 2008 07:12PM

Re: question

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 07:35PM

Thank You

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 07:33PM

I don't understand

Randall Hess September 01, 2008 07:29PM

Re: I don't understand

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 07:35PM

Re: Do you mean this guy? Attachments

Russo Loco September 02, 2008 03:40AM

Re: I don't understand

Chile John September 01, 2008 09:07PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Chile John September 01, 2008 03:21PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Mik September 01, 2008 02:48PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 02:51PM

Re: Silver Trim on 489

Mik September 01, 2008 03:44PM

Re: 1/2 for Flatland Touristers, 1/2 for Foamers ... smiling bouncing smiley

Russo Loco September 02, 2008 04:13AM

Whatever happened to oil and graphite?

Ryan Shofner September 01, 2008 04:55PM

This is getting ugly... and I am not talking about the silver trim

Bill M. September 01, 2008 05:16PM

Do it

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 06:03PM

Re: Do it

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 06:37PM

[b]Why To Do It[/b]

Roger Hogan September 01, 2008 06:53PM

prototype for almost any paint you want Attachments

Bob G September 01, 2008 07:27PM

Re: Do it

Chile John September 01, 2008 09:41PM

Re: First to Do It - not the only ones

Russo Loco September 02, 2008 04:36AM

Re: First to Do It - Let's DO It!!

Steve Stockham September 02, 2008 06:54PM

Re: First to Do It - Let's DO It!!

Chile John September 03, 2008 08:21AM

Re: First to Do It - Let's DO It!!

Fred T September 03, 2008 09:14AM

This thread is now closed

Don Richter September 03, 2008 09:23AM

Silver Trim cost more than black paint!

trainrider47 September 01, 2008 06:37PM

Re: Don't waste your time on him Jerry...

Jerry Day September 01, 2008 06:43PM

real names

Randall Hess September 01, 2008 07:15PM

Re: real names

Randall Hess September 02, 2008 05:42AM



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