Tom I am right there echoing your statements. Maybe a different approach might make someone think. My sinisism says not but here goes anyway think of what each crew member goes thru in even a near miss event. It is really not fare to the guys and gals that spend their time to provide the railfan the pics they want. And folks the engine and train men can only supress the emotions for so long. They DO come out and usually with expense to the crewmember(s) that had to deal with the event. Maybe keeping this in mind will cut down on some of the dumb stuff that we witness every day. SoCalCond