That comment by Ben was made in the cab of 483 the afternoon after the D&RGW had delivered the first increment of equipment to the C&TS in Antonito. I recorded a good deal of the conversation that afternoon and evening, and it was subsequently made available as Volume 6, part of a six volume set of LPs called "The Rattle and the Roar". As far as I know, they're not available any more, although there was a rumor some time back that someone was remastering them to CD. I don't even know who has the masters of those recordings now. -- Ed