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The Optics of it, not the facts.

November 21, 2019 10:35PM
This Event is all about optics. When you look at it at the ground level the public and outsiders see: ROAD CLOSED FOR TRAIN EVENT. Public asks, Why? The road hasn’t been closed before. You have to expect there are questions, and you have to expect skepticism. To be clear, I am not attacking anyone, I resent or despise no one here, I just wish to bring up some points. I welcome and accept constructive criticism, and I will do my best to have an open mind for your feedback.

First: Those of us who have issues are not all freeloaders. I cannot be a freeloader if I have no intention of being there. You cannot accuse everyone of being cheap when they disagree with you. Some have said “this generation is looking for a handout”. There is a good chance that many of us who are struggling with the optics are likely part of your generation. I cannot speak for everyone here, but I paid my way through college, I worked 2-3 jobs at a time to make ends meet. I paid off my student loans, I earn a good salary now. I just don’t like what I see.

Second: Bill, you said,
The truth is that the railroad responsibly approached the DOT’s of the two states, informed them of their plans, and asked how they could stage this event and still maintain a safe and open highway. The plan put forth by the railroad for traffic control was thought acceptable by the two states. But it will not be cheap for the railroad. There will be additional costs for approved traffic control and the attendant costs for having law enforcement officers present— all likely to run into the tens of thousands of dollars and all to be paid for by the railroad.”

Was this done in the open? (Honest question, I don’t know) When there is nothing to document what happened to get to this point some of us question how it all came about. You say it will be paid for by the railroad, I’m sure that is correct. However, it’s paid via the ticket holders, who would not pay that kind of money unless their demands of no freeloaders are met. If we could see what the railroad is paying for such costs, and verify that these costs are consistent with any other entity public or private, it would help skepticism. Sorry, call it oversight whatever. Al Harper does it, who cares, it’s his railroad. When the C&TS does it, with all the agendas of various people involved, I can't help but be skeptical all is on the up and up. If I’m jealous of anyone, it’s Al Harper.

Third: Let’s be real, How many people (freeloaders) are going to show up? No one can stay in any hotels in the area as they are all full. The railroad is in the middle of nowhere. There will be nothing like the crowds for the Big Boy. Also, I am not aware of any incidents with the Big Boy that the UP or the respective DOT was liable. Show me and I’ll rescind my argument. DOT puts up flashing sign that says “EVENT AHEAD”, public is warned. As for road conditions, I’ve spent my whole life in or near the mountains. There are 3 likely scenarios for the road conditions.
A. Snow storm
B. Dry pavement, sloppy muddy shoulders
C. Completely dry and some ice because it hasn’t snowed it 2 weeks but it’s still cold.
Anyone who gets stuck, gets in a wreck, whatever, can only blame themselves. Good luck trying to sue any government organization.

Fourth: You cannot have an event like this with public property, public road, etc and expect the public to not have an opinion that differs. My tax dollars and my tickets paid over the years to support the railroad, coupled with the 1st amendment allow me to express my displeasure. Those of you who are defending this action have the same right as well. My arguments will amount to nothing, but I still get to call it like I see it. When I see the name calling that leads me to believe has run out of ideas and now must resort to grade-school defensive strategies. That applies to all.

Fifth: Some have argued about how this is supposed to be paid for. Well, all of you who were willing to pay $1200 did it. I think it would have seen less exclusive if the cost had been spread out among more than 150, but that ship has sailed. With the $1200 I see that as not only fare for the event, but a donation that you applied to something you wanted to see. Kind of like paying to a political campaign. At least you get something in return, unlike those who pay for a candidate who loses. Give your money to the state, the state does at it pleases. Conversely, what happens if there is little snow? Refunds? Are the tickets non-refundable?

Ultimately, I have little faith in any government entity being corruption free, and if anyone of you believe otherwise admit it here.
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