Re: 169 pic at bottom

dougvv Wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I love the T12s and I love the desert. Great pic.
>
> If I am correct, the T12s last stand were on the
> Chili Line.

In regular service, maybe. #'s 168 & 172 were used in the Gunnison area on the Lake City branch until May 1933 and on the Pitken branch which was scrapped in the Spring/Summer of 1934. Not sure when the lst use of T-12 on the Pitken branch was, as C-16's were also used there...

> When were they first used and last used west of
> Cumbres

First used, I'm not sure, probably not later than 1890. I'm sure the more important, and more steeply graded lines than Chama-Durango did have a priotity on the Class 47 engines but I wouldn't be surprised if they were occasionally used there as early as 1884-85. Last use was probably in the early 1920's sometime. Other than the Snowplow train service to Cumbres in the early 1930's...

> and were they ever used over Mashall?

Of course they were, probably from 1883 on. Sometime in the early 1900's K-27's started hauling the passenger trains from Salida-Sargent most days (often #459 for some reason) but the Class 47 engines held the Sargent-Gunnison segment until the early 1920's(1924?) and the Gunnison West lines until the early 1930's (1931?)

NOTE: #172 was hauled dead from Gunnison in January 1936, may have been last T-12 over Marshall Pass?

> How about over the Valley line?

Last passenger train was in 1927, regular use until then(#167 was in service here in 1926-27). No idea when last run under steam was. #169 was in use West of Gunnison in 1930, later in Santa Fe branch service so might have made a run or might have been hauled DIT sometime in 1931 or '32.

hank