Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: Cars for No. 168?

March 26, 2015 07:06AM
Hank asked "why not restore the car as Chair 24"... (good question)

Preservation at this level is somewhat technical, driven by Secretary of Interior "Standards for Historic Preservation" which must be followed if you want grant funding from History Colorado. History Colorado is also protecting the car's status on the National Register... If you make inappropriate changes you can loose your listing...

In the case of these cars, the are not being "restored" (a highly defined term meaning recreating lost elements) but instead "rehabilitated" meaning rebuilt in kind and repaired for use. In some cases you end up splitting hairs but the differences are important to granting agencies.

In this case the car was originally Chair Car 24, then official car F (used as a pay car) then work car 0468... As F it had a number of configurations. The key to choosing a rehabilitation plan (not a restoration target) is understanding the details of the car's history, what you have, what you know about it at different times and what features would be lost or have to be recreated (and do you have information to recreate them accurately).

There is a lot we don't know about chair car 24 including the roof line. It appears to have been built with hoods, maybe rebuilt to a duck bill but maybe went from hood to bull nose directly. There is some of the original roof framing at the parlor end. The limited paint evidence from its years as Chair car 24 raise interesting questions about how it was painted... It was Tuscan with black trim... at a minimum the quarter round around the end doors, likely also on the corner posts and maybe the belt rail. Of course at 24 it had Miller Hook couplers. It had an earlier truck.

We know a lot more about F... (and much of the last F interior is intact, enough to allow it to be accurately rebuilt, with missing details replicated) As F it generally carried the same mechanical systems, couplers, airbrakes, D&RG "Pullman style" trucks with one exception...

As a work car it was "lowered" including new iron body bolsters, with new truss rods, new truck bolsters with outside bearings and draft gear changes... Work which is effectively not reversible. That issue has been addressed in reports and has been acknowledged and accepted by History Colorado. (such is the ballet which is preformed when planning a historic preservation project)

In contrast, the two coaches are much simpler... they are being rebuilt "in kind" preserving much of the original fabric (again, a preservation term) . RPO 65 is being restored, but repurposed as a concession and ADA car under Secretary of Interior's standards for "adaptive reuse"

Randy Hees
Subject Author Posted

Cars for No. 168?

CVR220 March 23, 2015 06:41PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Russ B. March 24, 2015 12:25AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Craig Kumler March 24, 2015 08:46AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

jalbers March 24, 2015 11:42AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

John Bush March 24, 2015 11:47AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

jalbers March 24, 2015 11:52AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

John Cole March 24, 2015 12:16PM

Re: Cars for No. 168? Attachments

jalbers March 24, 2015 03:42PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

JoeK March 25, 2015 02:06PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Brian Norden March 28, 2015 07:43PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Etrump March 28, 2015 02:40PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

hank March 24, 2015 12:39PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Samart March 25, 2015 07:21AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Randy Hees March 26, 2015 07:06AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Jeff Ramsey March 27, 2015 07:42PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Earl March 26, 2015 08:23AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Fritz Klinke March 27, 2015 10:53AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Bruce R. Pier March 27, 2015 11:19AM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

John Bush March 27, 2015 07:47PM

Re: Cars for No. 168?

Chris Walker March 27, 2015 08:54PM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login