Re: Review of August 30 "Summer of Seventy" Tribute Train
| July 05, 2010 01:41PM |
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John E. Bull Wrote:
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> What is interesting in this review of 1970, is the
> fact that it is more a try to repaint the locomotive
> away from its D&RGW image than it is to really
> honor the work of the participants.
See [ngdiscussion.net], below.
> ... In just one photo of a first train move out of
> Antonito can be counted over 25 people on the train.
It's hard to tell from such photos who's working and who's just along for the ride. Here's one of Ernie's, from September 27, 1970:
And one showing passengers on the "Governors' Special" of October 4, 1970:
> The notes that Mr. Russ Sperry is now milling over
> are these records made by Ernie Robart and they have
> all been published here [?] under copyright. Russ
> Sperry is banking on all these record and Ernie’s
> photos for his event so the credit of this effort
> is all due to Ernie W. Robart and not to someone
> else who is just rehashing the published history.
It's pretty obvious from the number of times I have credited Ernie for information and photographs over the past couple of years - and promoted his book - that I'm just trying to take credit myself. That's why, in fact, one of the first steps taken in setting up this event was on the last #315 excursion in September to offer Ernie a room at THE (Shamrock) HOTEL so that he (and hopefully Terry Ross) could give a presentation and slide show on the early history of the C&TS. Doubt me? Call Barbara Hogan at 1-575-756-2416.
> ... has been ignored in the present attempt of [to?]
> assemble or re-write history.
Again, if anyone has any doubts as to who is trying to re-write history, please see [ngdiscussion.net], below.
> There are many names in this book with the first name and no
> last name or just an initial as the true name was desired to be
> unknown. Because of my railroad employment at the time,
> on vacation, I was one of the unknown by desire.
That's a GREAT excuse for the absence of any of your aliases in the records ...
> I have a issue with a recent post on July 2
> indicating I am a liar regarding my presence as
> one of the many who helped open the abandoned line
> and doesn't believe my postings about my
> adventure.
To which of several July 2 posts are you referring? So many posts under the pseudonym of John E. Bull have been refuted by knowledgeable others that - like the boy who cried wolf - he has completely lost any credibility on the NGDF, and should, IMHO, restrict himself to posting on 'that other site'.
> Russ Sperry is also not giving proper credit where credit is due.
Mr. Sperry has always given Ernest W. Robart full credit as the source of many photographs and much of the information that he has shared here. Russ has Ernie's permission to use his photos in any way that is of benefit to the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railway, as he is not yet retired and does not have as much free time as Russ to promote the railroad.
- Russ Sperry (my real name), aka Russo Loco / El Curmudgeono de la Costa del Oro
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> What is interesting in this review of 1970, is the
> fact that it is more a try to repaint the locomotive
> away from its D&RGW image than it is to really
> honor the work of the participants.
See [ngdiscussion.net], below.
> ... In just one photo of a first train move out of
> Antonito can be counted over 25 people on the train.
It's hard to tell from such photos who's working and who's just along for the ride. Here's one of Ernie's, from September 27, 1970:
And one showing passengers on the "Governors' Special" of October 4, 1970:
> The notes that Mr. Russ Sperry is now milling over
> are these records made by Ernie Robart and they have
> all been published here [?] under copyright. Russ
> Sperry is banking on all these record and Ernie’s
> photos for his event so the credit of this effort
> is all due to Ernie W. Robart and not to someone
> else who is just rehashing the published history.
It's pretty obvious from the number of times I have credited Ernie for information and photographs over the past couple of years - and promoted his book - that I'm just trying to take credit myself. That's why, in fact, one of the first steps taken in setting up this event was on the last #315 excursion in September to offer Ernie a room at THE (Shamrock) HOTEL so that he (and hopefully Terry Ross) could give a presentation and slide show on the early history of the C&TS. Doubt me? Call Barbara Hogan at 1-575-756-2416.
> ... has been ignored in the present attempt of [to?]
> assemble or re-write history.
Again, if anyone has any doubts as to who is trying to re-write history, please see [ngdiscussion.net], below.
> There are many names in this book with the first name and no
> last name or just an initial as the true name was desired to be
> unknown. Because of my railroad employment at the time,
> on vacation, I was one of the unknown by desire.
That's a GREAT excuse for the absence of any of your aliases in the records ...
> I have a issue with a recent post on July 2
> indicating I am a liar regarding my presence as
> one of the many who helped open the abandoned line
> and doesn't believe my postings about my
> adventure.
To which of several July 2 posts are you referring? So many posts under the pseudonym of John E. Bull have been refuted by knowledgeable others that - like the boy who cried wolf - he has completely lost any credibility on the NGDF, and should, IMHO, restrict himself to posting on 'that other site'.
> Russ Sperry is also not giving proper credit where credit is due.
Mr. Sperry has always given Ernest W. Robart full credit as the source of many photographs and much of the information that he has shared here. Russ has Ernie's permission to use his photos in any way that is of benefit to the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railway, as he is not yet retired and does not have as much free time as Russ to promote the railroad.
- Russ Sperry (my real name), aka Russo Loco / El Curmudgeono de la Costa del Oro
| Subject | Author | Posted |
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John E. Bull | July 05, 2010 07:21AM |
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Rich Murray | July 05, 2010 07:56AM |
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Greg Scholl | July 05, 2010 09:41AM |
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Chris Webster | July 05, 2010 10:29AM |
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Russo Loco | July 05, 2010 11:54AM |
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Russo Loco | July 05, 2010 01:41PM |
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dougvv | July 05, 2010 02:03PM |
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Steve Singer | July 05, 2010 02:07PM |
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488 stops for water at Los Pinos tank on closing day Oct. 1979. Photo courtesy Don Richter
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