Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

August 06, 2009 02:40PM avatar
Ron Keagle Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So which type of motive power makes
> the most profit for the GC? This seems like the
> central question, but I have not yet heard it
> asked, let alone answered.


Ron,

Someone would have to look at the GCRy financial books to make a positive determination, and we would have to wait for a couple of years without steam to see if the ridiship does fall off, and we would have to eliminate extenuating factors such as the down turn in the economy as the reason for any reduction in ridership vs. the lack of steam.

As far as I know (take it with a grain of salt) the steam program has been profitable up to this point in the GCRy's history. It would have been shut down before now if not. Also take into accout that they only ran steam during the bussiest time of the year, thus had ridership numbers to cover the costs of the program.

Everyone's profits (save for bars and strip clubs) has declined over the past couple of years. I would think it's safe to assume that the margin of profit for the GCRy also dropped.

An easy way to increase profit is to reduce expenses.

I'm sure shutting down the steam program saved lots of money, not just on fuel, but by every person who was fired (wages, workmans' comp, social security, medicare, etc.) that were needed to perform maintiance on the steamers. Don't forget all the local, state and federal inspection costs (Form 4) and such.

From a financial standpoint it makes perfect sense to close down the steam program to see imediate cost savings. From a marketing standpoint it makes sense to tout the "green" factor to get headlines for free advertising. From a Marketing & Financial stand point I'm sure they will be watching the numbers over the next few years to determine if shutting down the steam program hurt or helped revenue.

If they see that having steam will increase the bottom line I'm sure they'll bring it back and with some spin on the whole "green" stuff, aka BS.



Curtis F.
Subject Author Posted

NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Kevin S. August 03, 2009 08:06PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

WilliamDiehl August 03, 2009 08:14PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael August 03, 2009 09:39PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Randall Hess August 03, 2009 11:23PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

jalbers August 04, 2009 09:45AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael August 04, 2009 10:29AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Tim Schreiner August 04, 2009 10:45AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael August 04, 2009 11:09AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

WilliamDiehl August 04, 2009 12:18PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

guymonmd August 04, 2009 11:37AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

chris king August 04, 2009 11:45AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Skip August 05, 2009 11:28AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Ron Keagle August 05, 2009 12:10PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Curtis_F August 05, 2009 12:11PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Tomstp April 30, 2022 12:10PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Ed Stabler August 05, 2009 12:19PM

Dropping of Steam Power

Kevin S. August 05, 2009 02:26PM

Re: Dropping of Steam Power

guymonmd August 05, 2009 03:05PM

Re: Dropping of Steam Power

john creasing August 06, 2009 11:46AM

Re: Dropping of Steam Power

michael August 06, 2009 11:56AM

Re: Dropping of Steam Power

john creasing August 06, 2009 12:11PM

Re: Dropping of Steam Power

jasonsobczynski August 06, 2009 12:22PM

Re: Dropping of Steam Power

michael August 06, 2009 12:26PM

Re: Von Boden Veggie Oil Burner?

Russo Loco August 06, 2009 01:50PM

Re: Von Boden Veggie Oil Burner?

jasonsobczynski August 06, 2009 11:41PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Skip August 05, 2009 03:34PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Randall Hess August 06, 2009 03:11PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Skip August 06, 2009 03:26PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Tim Schreiner August 06, 2009 04:07PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Skip August 07, 2009 06:37PM

Re: Grand Canyon Railway vs D&Sng and SLRG

Russo Loco August 06, 2009 05:49PM

Re: Grand Canyon Railway vs D&Sng and SLRG

Nick August 07, 2009 12:55PM

Re: Grand Canyon Railway vs D&Sng and SLRG

Rick Steele August 08, 2009 12:58PM

Re: Grand Canyon Railway vs D&Sng and SLRG

Skip August 07, 2009 06:46PM

Re: Grand Canyon Railway vs D&Sng and SLRG

Rick Steele August 08, 2009 01:04PM

Re: Grand Canyon Railway vs D&Sng and SLRG

Skip August 08, 2009 05:56PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael August 04, 2009 12:00PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

chris king August 04, 2009 12:13PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael August 04, 2009 12:38PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

Steve Singer August 04, 2009 01:01PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

D&RGW Chase August 05, 2009 04:50PM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

USAF_Andy August 06, 2009 09:43AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael August 06, 2009 11:19AM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Russo Loco August 05, 2009 05:00PM

NNG - Oil firing redux: 'Clear Stack' Rides Again!! Attachments

Russo Loco August 05, 2009 05:12PM

GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

Ron Keagle August 06, 2009 02:04PM

Re: GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

Curtis_F August 06, 2009 02:40PM

Re: GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

Ron Keagle August 06, 2009 06:53PM

Re: GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

Kevin S. August 06, 2009 10:05PM

Re: GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

Skip August 07, 2009 06:53PM

Re: GC STEAM vs. DIESEL: Which is more profitable?

Russo Loco August 07, 2009 07:43PM

Quote for the day

Skip August 07, 2009 10:25PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Dave Wolven August 06, 2009 06:35PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

michael August 06, 2009 07:13PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

mikerowe August 06, 2009 08:47PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

michael August 06, 2009 08:53PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Kevin S. August 06, 2009 09:58PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

michael August 06, 2009 10:00PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Ron Keagle August 07, 2009 08:19AM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Steve Singer August 07, 2009 11:53AM

GCRy - What their customers really buy

AZfarmer August 07, 2009 01:49PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Russo Loco August 07, 2009 02:16PM

STEAM LOCOMOTIVES & THE GREEN MOVEMENT

Ron Keagle August 07, 2009 04:19PM

Re: STEAM LOCOMOTIVES & THE GREEN MOVEMENT

michael August 07, 2009 04:56PM

Extreme Steam

southparkline1 August 07, 2009 05:39PM

What is sad about the movement...

Southern Pacific Narrow Gauge Tyler August 07, 2009 08:54PM

Re: What is sad about the movement...

Tim Schreiner August 08, 2009 08:30AM

Re: What is sad about the movement...

Kevin S. August 08, 2009 10:21AM

Re: What is sad about the movement...

WilliamDiehl August 09, 2009 08:35PM

Re: What is sad about the movement...

Tim Schreiner August 09, 2009 08:38PM

Being Green

Festus August 10, 2009 12:09PM

Re: Being Green

Russo Loco August 10, 2009 02:52PM

Re: Being Green

michael August 10, 2009 03:04PM

Re: Being Green

Skip August 10, 2009 03:21PM

Re: Being Green

Tim Schreiner August 10, 2009 04:03PM

Re: Being Green

Skip August 10, 2009 04:06PM

Re: Being Green

Jeff A. August 10, 2009 05:00PM

Re: Being Green

mikerowe August 11, 2009 12:22AM

Re: Being Green

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 06:04AM

Re: Being Green ... and civil.

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 07:02AM

Re: Being Green ... and civil.

Ed Stabler August 11, 2009 07:10AM

Re: Being Green ... and Un-Civil.

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 07:20AM

Re: Being Green

Russo Loco August 10, 2009 09:35PM

Re: What is sad about the movement...

Rick Steele August 08, 2009 01:19PM

Re: What is sad about the "green" movement...

Russo Loco August 08, 2009 01:29PM

Re: What is sad about the "green" movement...

Rick Steele August 08, 2009 02:03PM

Re: What is sad about the "green" movement...

Rick Steele August 08, 2009 02:03PM

Re: What is sad about the "green" movement... and Pie

Russo Loco August 08, 2009 05:23PM

Re: What is sad about the "green" movement...

Festus August 10, 2009 12:14PM

Re: Electric Locomotives & the Green Movement

Randall Hess August 10, 2009 10:10PM

Re: Electric Locomotives & the Green Movement

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 07:11AM

Re: Electric Locomotives & the Green Movement

Festus August 11, 2009 08:27AM

Re: Electric Locomotives & the Green Movement

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 09:07AM

Re: Electric Locomotives & the Green Movement

Randall Hess August 11, 2009 02:03PM

Re: Electric Locomotives & the Green Movement

Ron Keagle August 11, 2009 04:01PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 04:19PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

mikerowe August 11, 2009 06:24PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... eye popping smiley

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 08:59PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... eye popping smiley

mikerowe August 11, 2009 10:17PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy (#102) ... eye rolling smiley

Russo Loco August 12, 2009 06:19AM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

dougvv August 12, 2009 12:51PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Festus August 12, 2009 01:03PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

mikerowe August 12, 2009 01:40PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Jeff A. August 12, 2009 01:59PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Skip August 12, 2009 04:18PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Rick Steele August 12, 2009 07:06PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Skip August 12, 2009 07:12PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Rick Steele August 12, 2009 07:16PM

Re: GG-1s on the GCRy ... thumbs upthumbs up

Russo Loco August 12, 2009 10:16PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

Kevin S. August 07, 2009 07:49PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call AAA!! hot smiley

AZfarmer August 10, 2009 03:36PM

Re: GCRy Solution: Call or write AAA!!

Russo Loco August 11, 2009 07:32AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

T A Hunter August 11, 2009 07:47AM

Re: NNG Grand Canyon Railway Question

michael April 30, 2022 09:37AM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login