Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

April 23, 2009 07:21AM avatar
Ryan, I don't agree with you at all and feel compelled to air my opinion.

"whatever changes are made to her become part of what she is"
"#346 is its own prototype. Anything you do to it is written in its history"

So, If it keeps it running it is OK to do. By your measure, it would be just fine if 346 was painted lavender as long as it keeps running. It's OK to cut out the bottom out of the boiler and connect a chain drive diesel to the axles. It keeps it running, right? Scrap the boiler and mount a fiberglass water tank on the frame? It's now part of her, right? It's written in its history, right? How many will even know the difference? Just where do you draw the line?

"People should be more concerned with functionality, not preserving appearances of rusty pieces of metal that are past their usable life"

What you seem to prefer is not preservation, nor conservation. It is modernization. All you seem to care about is operation. If you don't care about preserving pieces of metal that are past their usable life then you are REALLY in the wrong hobby. #346 is ancient piece of junk by modern railroad standards. Do you think US Gypsum would want to use her in its daily freight operations? By your own standards the entire locomotive (not to mention 318) should be thrown out and replaced. If all you are interested in is keeping a locomotive running, then go work for UP or CSX.

"It's not like each repair a railroad made was special or sacred."

I would not say sacred, I would say it is part of the locomotive's history, whether desirable or not. The CRRM is a MUSEUM not a tourist railroad. Living history is great and admirable, but passing off history as something it was not is a lie. In its current form, the 346 was a third string locomotive running on a money loosing operation with underfunded repairs. That is what it was and the patches are part of that story. If you are restoring 4449, that is a very different story. Should they look the same? Should the 346 be restored to look like it was pulling the 20th Century Limited?

"When you restore an old auto for show, do you keep all the dents and dings in the car?"

If you are restoring a "1946 Hudson" by all means, restore it to showroom quality. If you are restoring "John Smith's 1946 Hudson" and it has the dent John Smith put in the back fender and the scratch he put in the bumper and the wire he ran to the choke, then NO do not put it back to factory condition. All those things tell the history of John Smith's 1946 Hudson. This is "D&RGw #346", not "a 36" gauge consolidation". If you want to restore a mass produced item to showroom quality, then work on an EMD f-unit or GP-9. Leave the unique pieces to others who value their uniqueness.

For the record I do volunteer on a NG, a lot. I have done track, rolling stock and mostly railroad buildings. I DO get old photos and replicate changes, patches and even inconsistencies. That is part of the history of the artifact and helps to tell its story. It creates the "mood" of the item. Yes, concessions must be made to the long term survival of the artifact and its nearer term functionality, but that does not preclude preserving its character. Railroads were not showrooms. They were dirty, gritty, industrial sites.

I'm sick if hearing "if the railroad were doing it now they would not have done that any more." If the railroad were doing it now, they would cut it up into scrap, tear up the line, burn the buildings, and give the CEO a big bonus. That is why it is in a MUSEUM, to be PRESERVED. It is not our duty to preserve what might have been by now, it is to preserve what it was THEN!

For every artifact (and YES 346 is and artifact) you must choose "Period of significance" to which you intend to restore it. In my opinion, in the case of steam locomotives the restoration point should usually be the time the last did what it was intended to do. For 346 That was pulling trains on the main. Not running in a circle, a fresh from the factory locomotive, being a parts donor, or a main line loco demoted to yard switcher. Yes, every artifact has history since that important time in its life, but that is not the history we are here to preserve.

Here are my guidelines:
When possible conserve.
When not possible to conserve, repair.
When not possible to repair, replace in kind.
When not possible to replace in kind, replace in spirit.

Christopher D. Coleman

[www.febt.org] Friends of the East Broad Top
[www.spikesys.com] East Broad Top Homepage
[www.eastbroadtop.com] East Broad Top Railroad
Subject Author Posted

346 tender back in Golden Attachments

Al B April 20, 2009 12:57PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

FordCVP71 April 20, 2009 01:46PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ed Stabler April 20, 2009 01:53PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Will Gant April 20, 2009 02:35PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Al B April 20, 2009 02:43PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ed Stabler April 20, 2009 03:22PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 20, 2009 09:38PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 20, 2009 11:52PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

El Nehi April 21, 2009 06:14AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

MD Ramsey April 21, 2009 07:11AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 07:49AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Charlie Mutschler April 21, 2009 08:49AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

jalbers April 21, 2009 09:38AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 21, 2009 10:26AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

GFDMatt April 21, 2009 10:47AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

FordCVP71 April 21, 2009 09:47AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 12:05PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Tim Schreiner April 21, 2009 01:18PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 21, 2009 02:30PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Kevin Cook April 21, 2009 07:25PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 07:33PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Kevin Cook April 21, 2009 07:38PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 07:42PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

El Nehi April 21, 2009 08:54PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 09:12PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

El Nehi April 21, 2009 11:55PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 22, 2009 07:45AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 07:29PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

San Juan April 22, 2009 12:27AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 21, 2009 07:24PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 21, 2009 09:19PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Mike Spera April 21, 2009 09:51AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ted miles April 21, 2009 11:29AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

davegrandt April 21, 2009 12:15PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Kevin Cook April 21, 2009 12:20PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Paul Luning April 21, 2009 04:48PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 21, 2009 05:02PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

dandtsrr2 April 21, 2009 07:27PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Daniel Huppenthal April 21, 2009 08:31PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

El Nehi April 21, 2009 08:59PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 21, 2009 09:32PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Jeff Taylor April 21, 2009 10:05PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Jeff Taylor April 21, 2009 10:15PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

El Nehi April 22, 2009 12:03AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Jeff Taylor April 22, 2009 12:36AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ryan Shofner April 22, 2009 08:19AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Andrew Brandon April 22, 2009 10:55AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ed Stabler April 22, 2009 02:12PM

Well Andrew, I got you just the solution

John Cole April 22, 2009 02:36PM

Re: Well Andrew, I got you just the solution

Andrew Brandon April 22, 2009 03:32PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

ebtrr April 23, 2009 07:21AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

FordCVP71 April 23, 2009 09:05AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

jessvanwinkle April 23, 2009 11:13AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Will Gant April 23, 2009 01:20PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

S.B.A. April 23, 2009 10:03PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

El Nehi April 23, 2009 09:53PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

ebtrr April 24, 2009 08:21AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

SMITTY April 24, 2009 08:55AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

ebtrr April 24, 2009 11:55AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Mark Valerius April 24, 2009 10:07AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Rick Steele April 22, 2009 04:41AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

GeorgeGaskill April 22, 2009 11:12AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Herb Kelsey April 21, 2009 11:51PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Linn W. Moedinger April 22, 2009 05:13AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 22, 2009 08:47AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Dan Maday April 22, 2009 12:00PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 22, 2009 03:37PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

jalbers April 22, 2009 03:59PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

jalbers April 24, 2009 09:38AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Ed "Oilcan" Kelley April 22, 2009 08:57PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden Attachments

BodieCalifornia April 22, 2009 10:03PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

HighCommander April 22, 2009 10:30PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

John Cole April 22, 2009 10:35PM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Linn W. Moedinger April 23, 2009 05:39AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

John Cole April 23, 2009 07:19AM

Re: 346 tender back in Golden

Will Gant April 23, 2009 10:31AM

Re: low riders

Dave Schaaf April 23, 2009 12:03PM

Re: low riders

FordCVP71 April 23, 2009 12:14PM



Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login