December 27, 2019 05:59PM
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Hi,
There is a lot of information above and I have not begun to read all of it. But as part of the original group from the Boulder Model Railroad Club I do have some interesting items related to the discussion.
While we were asked by Bob Richardson to paint the engine, which had been delivered as a rusted hulk, our mission was to make it look "presentable" as it sat out in front of the Museum building. Bob was embarrassed at it's appearance.
We were curious as to the issue of any green jacketing, but in all seriousness, there was barely a flake of paint lefton the entire locomotive. We went after the engine with a steam cleaner, a small "Hotsey", which I later donated to the museum, and took off as much grit and grime as Jeff describes above, but we could find no trace of green on the Locomotive at all. Actually, there was not much paint at all. Hopefully someone has pictures of it as delivered.
Bear in mind that the following is based only on photographic evidence available at the time. Jeff's photos are wonderful and prove this sort of thing was going on for years before we traced things using only photos.
The tender at CRRM was #499's tender from Alamosa. Years ago, there was an extensive discussion of K-37 tender swapping that we were able to prove in various ways. And #491 was a featured player in that discussion. As I recall, #496 was wrecked on Cumbres and later scrapped. #496 had carried the distinctive tender which has the three coupler pockets in the 40's and until it was wrecked, I believe in the early 60's. The tender was not scrapped, and was paired with #491 following an overhaul in the early 60's. In all of the later photos of #491 in service, it has #496's tender, further distinguishable by the low placement on the rear. Years after #491 was retired and set aside, the triple pocket tender went to Antonito for display behind #494. One of the tenders had been donated or sold to a commune or some such thing in the mid 60's. Might have been #494's. When #491 was donated to the Colorado Historical Society and moved to Golden, it came with #499's most recent tender. When #499 was later moved to the Royal Gorge, it went with #498's tender. And so on....
A final interesting note. As we were finishing up painting and cleaning up, we set about installing a homemade wood numberplate that Todd Hackett had made for #491, since it didn't have one. A guy drove up and asked us about it, and we told him we'd had to make a replacement becuse it sure needed one. About anhour or so later, the same guy drove back, opened his trunk, and pulled out #491's real numberplate. Wow, so we happily gave him Todd's wood replica. He said he had either taken it or received it somewhere along the line and kept it on display in his basement. So we are all indebted to him for his honesty and integrity to return it. When those engines were just rusting away in Alamosa, every one of us who saw them believed as we drove away, we'd probably never see them again.
Congratulations and eternal thanks to everyone who helped restore #491 to operable condition. You will be rewarded many times over the years with pride that you were there and did whatever you could to help. Lord knows, it isn't money. I'm now just North of 70, and I feel proud of all we did years ago, no one can ever take those times and memories away.
Special thanks to Jeff for the fantastic write up!
Mike Trent
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