Re: Rio Grande : Veta Pass defined by Map!
| January 14, 2018 02:02PM |
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vulturenest Wrote:
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> Yep. The NG went over La Veta Pass, while the SG
> goes over Veta Pass. I always follow USGS
> terminology for names. Been over bother the old
> NG route (now a dirt road) and the highway many,
> many times but missed the ride over Veta.
>
> Not sure if the highway signs say La Veta or North
> La Veta, just don't pay much attention as I know
> where I am when going over each pass ...
>
> Mike Conder
Actually there is much confusion, the Railroad Pass (and Veta Mt.) was renamed on USGS maps But the D&RG did cross Veta Pass with the narrow gauge line.
The D&RG did not change the name either, only the replacement SG route was called La Veta Pass. These two different names were on the Depot Signage and in ETT and Public Timetables, the respective SG La Veta Pass (EDIT) being renamed Fir at some later time along with the side trackage at the top of the pass.
I would be fairly certain the North designation renaming came about with the Highway changes since they too diverted from the original NG allignment sometime in the 1960's. For a synopsis read pg32/33 The Colorado Pass Book by Don Koch. note: He made no distiction between the Railroad variations here.
1898 Rand McNally has the NG line shown with Veta Pass
Map [digital.denverlibrary.org]
Note: The 1910 Rand McNally has the SG line shown with La Veta Pass [digital.denverlibrary.org]
I wouldn't place great faith in the USGS either as they have juxtapolated the Huerfano Park maps on their site. Note the Filenames reflect this anomality, I placed them in the order that I think is correct.
USGS1892HuerfanoPark
USGS1889HuerfanoPark
Map from Tiv. Wilkin's Colorado Railroads pg17
example of D&RG ETT for the SG line [www.drgw.net]
D&RG Public TT from LeMassena Rio Grande to the Pacific
This might seem a little pedantic, but I would stick to facts, not revisions lest the "new Guy" be misinformed. It is your Country, Railroad and Map, not mine but I still feel the same way, And I go with the Railroad name(s).
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2018 03:55PM by Chris Walker.
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> Yep. The NG went over La Veta Pass, while the SG
> goes over Veta Pass. I always follow USGS
> terminology for names. Been over bother the old
> NG route (now a dirt road) and the highway many,
> many times but missed the ride over Veta.
>
> Not sure if the highway signs say La Veta or North
> La Veta, just don't pay much attention as I know
> where I am when going over each pass ...
>
> Mike Conder
Actually there is much confusion, the Railroad Pass (and Veta Mt.) was renamed on USGS maps But the D&RG did cross Veta Pass with the narrow gauge line.
The D&RG did not change the name either, only the replacement SG route was called La Veta Pass. These two different names were on the Depot Signage and in ETT and Public Timetables, the respective SG La Veta Pass (EDIT) being renamed Fir at some later time along with the side trackage at the top of the pass.
I would be fairly certain the North designation renaming came about with the Highway changes since they too diverted from the original NG allignment sometime in the 1960's. For a synopsis read pg32/33 The Colorado Pass Book by Don Koch. note: He made no distiction between the Railroad variations here.
1898 Rand McNally has the NG line shown with Veta Pass
Map [digital.denverlibrary.org]
Note: The 1910 Rand McNally has the SG line shown with La Veta Pass [digital.denverlibrary.org]
I wouldn't place great faith in the USGS either as they have juxtapolated the Huerfano Park maps on their site. Note the Filenames reflect this anomality, I placed them in the order that I think is correct.
USGS1892HuerfanoPark
USGS1889HuerfanoPark
Map from Tiv. Wilkin's Colorado Railroads pg17
example of D&RG ETT for the SG line [www.drgw.net]
D&RG Public TT from LeMassena Rio Grande to the Pacific
This might seem a little pedantic, but I would stick to facts, not revisions lest the "new Guy" be misinformed. It is your Country, Railroad and Map, not mine but I still feel the same way, And I go with the Railroad name(s).
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2018 03:55PM by Chris Walker.
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