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Re: Can a Big Boy pull a 5 mile long train? (Some Sumpter content)

May 03, 2017 10:44PM
Hi,

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Has anyone else heard the claim that a 4-8-8-4 could pull a train more than 5 miles long?

In theory that is true but it ASSUMES that the couplers can handle the load without braking a knuckle or being pulled out of the car.

Wikipedia:

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The Pennsylvania Railroad's class FF1 was an American electric locomotive, a prototype numbered #3931 and nicknamed "Big Liz". It was built in 1917 to haul freight trains across the Allegheny Mountains where the PRR planned to electrify. "Big Liz" proved workable but too powerful for the freight cars of the time with its 4600 available horsepower and astonishing 140,000 lbf (620 kN) of tractive effort. Pulling the train it regularly snapped couplers and when moved to the rear as a pusher its force was sufficient to pop cars in the middle of the train off the tracks. It had a 1-C+C-1 wheel arrangement in two half-frames, connected in the center. Each frame had a pair of three phase AC induction motors driving a jackshaft through gearing and a spring drive; side rods then drove the wheels. Three phase power for the 4 massive motors was supplied from the single phase overhead supply via a large rotary converter housed in the body of the locomotive. Combined rated output of the motors was 7,640 hp (5,700 kW), but the converter could only supply a short term 4,600 hp (3,400 kW) or a continuous 4,000 hp (3,000 kW). With three-phase induction motors there was no way to control the speed of the motors; changing the wiring of the motor poles allowed for two speed settings, 10.3 and 20.6 mph (16.6 and 33.2 km/h), which were considered enough to drag heavy freight trains up and down steep grades. Its intended use as an Allegheny climber never realized and its power too much for the rolling stock in service at the time, Big Liz was sidelined until being cut up for scrap in 1940.

Big Liz spent most of her PRR service life as a pusher on the mainline in Baltimore getting freights out of the yard at the bottom of two grades (IIRC). As for the 1-C+C-1 wheel arrangement, it was close to the famous 2-C+C-2 of the GG1.

FWIW.

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